Fuego Flash tuner.

radtexas · Oct 13, 2006

product page
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/fuego.htm

dyno page (31 hp gain with just tuner)
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/dyno15small.jpg

Anyone use this product?
The dyno is impressive if just the tuner as they claim.

red05bullitgt · Oct 13, 2006

If you said 31 HP. with just a tuner ?? No offense Rad, but I'll believe that one when pigs fly..In fact, not even a custom dyno tune is capable of producing those kind of numbers, let alone from a canned tuner..

radtexas · Oct 16, 2006

red05bullitgt said:
If you said 31 HP. with just a tuner ?? No offense Rad, but I'll believe that one when pigs fly..In fact, not even a custom dyno tune is capable of producing those kind of numbers, let alone from a canned tuner..

I am only posting what they claim. That is why I was asking if anyone has this tuner. They claim it does but hard to believe myself. The dynos were done several months apart not that that should matter unless other things were added during that time. I did email them to ask more info about this. More for public info. Not that I would be the first guinea pig to go out and buy one.

SVTdriver · Oct 16, 2006

Ok maybe I just don't know enough about dynos. But why does it show the max hp with the tuner to be at 6000 rpms. But the dyno sheet clearly drops off arounf 5460 rpms?

kooldawg6 · Oct 16, 2006

I don't believe Granatelli would sell garbage or falsify poduct claims. They have been around to long to just come out and say "Look at what our products can do". That does(from what I've read on this forum) sound a little high for JUST a tune, but then again Granatelli was the first to get the Cobra up over 500hp with just the s/c pulley and exhaust swap. I'm stil in the saving stage to get a tuner and from all your talk about this one and that one WILL help me in choosing mine in the future. Thank you all.

radtexas · Oct 16, 2006

Feed back reply

This is my reply I got after getting a few more questions. Sounds like a ton of tunes to chose from?

From: jrgranatelli@granatellimotorsports.com

Fuego is brand new and will be shipping November 15th for Ford Only

1. Can I buy the tuner preprogrammed for specific bolt-ons or are they generic? You can purchase the tuner with specific FORD calibrations. Fuego is designed to be customer friendly not tuner shop required
2. And will the tuner work with other non-Granatelli products such as maybe a C&L CAI? It will have tunes for the majority of CAI on the market3. I read that there are tunes to download off the internet. What all can you get this way? Is this how it can be customized? - No tunes will be sent via the net
4. Also looks like yours will hold 4 tunes will others only hold 3. I assume the stock is uploaded to the tuner as you reflash the PCM? -Our tool will hold 100’s of tunes. In the case of the Mustang – it will write at least 10 different tunes based on Gas type and trans type

kooldawg6 · Oct 16, 2006

Sounds pretty impressive. Now just give it some time out on the market to work out kinks and such if any... Thanks for the research Rad.

red05bullitgt · Oct 16, 2006

I also don't believe that Granatelli would falsify his claims either, but on the other hand ?? I do have a very difficult time accepting how a preloaded or canned tuner is capable of producing 31 additional HP. when 3 of the top SCT tuners such as Bamachips, Brenspeed and Lidio from Alternative Auto are capable of producing 20 max HP. which are dyno custom tunes ??? perhaps now you can understand my confusion, if that makes any sense ??

ScottM · Oct 16, 2006

SVTdriver said:
Ok maybe I just don't know enough about dynos. But why does it show the max hp with the tuner to be at 6000 rpms. But the dyno sheet clearly drops off arounf 5460 rpms?

I'm not a dyno expert either, but I was wondering about that myself. I'm not saying it's not right, it's just the numbers look funny. Am I reading it right that the baseline was ran to 5400 RPM's while after the fuego it was ran up to 6000 RPM's? Also, when does the power start to drop on a stock GT? I havent had mine dyno'd yet, so I'm not sure, plus I'm not stock anymore.

radtexas · Oct 17, 2006

02whtgt said:
I'm not a dyno expert either, but I was wondering about that myself. I'm not saying it's not right, it's just the numbers look funny. Am I reading it right that the baseline was ran to 5400 RPM's while after the fuego it was ran up to 6000 RPM's? Also, when does the power start to drop on a stock GT? I havent had mine dyno'd yet, so I'm not sure, plus I'm not stock anymore.

Good arguments. Hence my reply back to see if they could explain some. Will post any replys when I get them.

My questions:
I have a question about the dyno results. They shows max power @ 6000 rpms yet the graph drops off @ what looks like 5460 rpm's. Not trying to rebuke your results but the graph does not match the results.
Also this dyno was only with Feugo tuner, no other bolt-ons? And they were the same cars? I posted your weblink in a couple forums to get opinions from others. Most do not agree with the results. I personally am an optimist and would rather ask questions than automatically assume otherwise. So can you clarify your dyno run and give a little insight as to how your tuner can get 31 hp while others normally get a lot less? You will need to do this to take on the already flooded market with the Diabola and Xcal II tuners. I personally have not purchased any add-ons for my 07 GT yet and plan to around Christmas.

radtexas · Oct 17, 2006

red05bullitgt said:
I also don't believe that Granatelli would falsify his claims either, but on the other hand ?? I do have a very difficult time accepting how a preloaded or canned tuner is capable of producing 31 additional HP. when 3 of the top SCT tuners such as Bamachips, Brenspeed and Lidio from Alternative Auto are capable of producing 20 max HP. which are dyno custom tunes ??? perhaps now you can understand my confusion, if that makes any sense ??

I also tried to ask this. Not that they will give us any secrets but I would like to see how they get this while others are not. Who know maybe they found something in the programing that has been hidden from others.

radtexas · Oct 17, 2006

He got back quickly. Maybe this will explain a little.

<feedback@granatellimotorsports.com>
10/17/2006 08:14 AM
To
<RobertMiley@ifsolutions.com>
cc

Subject
RE: Fuego Flash Tuner

I assume you are talking about this graph http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/dyno15small.jpg ? The graph does not “drop off” it stops. When we captured the data, prior to running the test we set the parameters to gather data in graph form up to 5500 in stock and 6200 once Fuego was installed. You will note from the factory the engine does not make power past 5100 so there is no reason to beat on the motor. Since we compared the 2 dyno runs the software from Mustang Dyno shows the lower RPM range. I will post the other graph in a few hours.

As for other changes, the car had the first Granatelli Cat back but dyno testing was properly testes as an A then B test. – It was the same car. I can’t explain why other do or do not make power. I can tell you that Fuego does what we say it will and this test was performed straight up – no black magic or otherwise.

While we agree there are many choices out there Fuego will finds its place in the market. Xcal 1 and Xcal 2 are both great tools but focus on customer tunes more so then out of the box tunes. Diablo? Granatelli was the sales and marketing arm for DiabloSport for several years. Therefore Fuego is the next step up. Diablo is a nice product but it is old news and Fuego does everything the Predator will do just better and faster. With 128mb of memory it is lightning fast as compared to the closest competitor at 8MB

Lastly – Internet ney-sayers. They all said GMS could not make a Cold Air intake that would out perform the others – We did it. Then they said all cold air intake require a reflash to make serious power – wrong again. There have been several independent dyno tests all over the country and they all come back in the mid 25hp range. 800 units sold can’t be a fluke. While we realize you have many choices, you will not find another company that is as focus on products and customer service as GMS.

radtexas · Oct 17, 2006

SVTdriver said:
Ok maybe I just don't know enough about dynos. But why does it show the max hp with the tuner to be at 6000 rpms. But the dyno sheet clearly drops off arounf 5460 rpms?

I got the complete dynos for both runs and raw data from tuner run. It does confirm what he said about the 31 hp gain up to 6k rpm's. If someone wants it PM me you email address and I will forward.

ski · Oct 17, 2006

radtexas,

You may also want to ask Granatelli the reason why his dyno chart compares the numbers from a base run that was made on 4/8/2005, and the numbers from a test run with the Fuego that was made almost 6 months later on 9/30/2005.
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/dyno15small.jpg

Any reputable dyno shop would never perform a stock base run one day, and then do a modded test run 6 months later to determine the gains from the mod(s), especially on a car that's not yet broken in with only 500 miles on it for the base run.
The obvious reason is because the car will most likely be driven a few more thousand miles over those 6 months, which is going to loosen up the engine and drivetrain components, and thus enable the engine to produce more hp and torque than it did 6 months prior, even without installing any modifications. This can result in misleading and inaccurate gains for any modifications that are installed for the test run.

radtexas · Oct 17, 2006

ski said:
radtexas,

You may also want to ask Granatelli the reason why his dyno chart compares the numbers from a base run that was made on 4/8/2005, and the numbers from a test run with the Fuego that was made almost 6 months later on 9/30/2005.
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/dyno15small.jpg

Any reputable dyno shop would never perform a stock base run one day, and then do a modded test run 6 months later to determine the gains from the mod(s), especially on a car that's not yet broken in with only 500 miles on it for the base run.
The obvious reason is because the car will most likely be driven a few more thousand miles over those 6 months, which is going to loosen up the engine and drivetrain components, and thus enable the engine to produce more hp and torque than it did 6 months prior, even without installing any modifications. This can result in misleading and inaccurate gains for any modifications that are installed for the test run.

Do not disagree. I can only guess that this is because of the time frame the Fuego came out but it could have been re run just before installing the tune.

radtexas · Oct 17, 2006

He did say after reading this thread that this tune will only add maybe 7-10 more hp over their CAI. Which that is in line with other tuners/CAI combos. Sounds like it is more for those wanting to go the more plug-n-play route compared to any custimzation. Will let you guys read and decide.
http://forums.***********.net/showthread.php?t=51918&page=1

Guess the link is censored since it blocks as soon as I post. Can forward maybe on PM if you ask.

ski · Oct 17, 2006

Also, does anyone notice anything strange about the 'Base Run' numbers(incl. the times) on the following 2 printouts from GMS dyno runs that were supposedly performed on different dates???

http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/dyno15small.jpg
http://www.granatellimotorsports.com/images/artlr/dyno29small.jpg

red05bullitgt · Oct 17, 2006

First off ?? I'm not here to start a thread war nor put anyone's product down ?..However, when it comes to Granatelli's claims ? especially when it comes down to his cold air kit ? there have been several inconsistencies on another forum about how his CAI that doesn't require any re-tuning ? is able to out perform all the other cold kits that require tuning ? in addition, there was also a claim that bamachips sold his product but when bamachips himself was asked about that claim ?? his response was that he neither sold his product nor had any knowledge of it ?? just ask SKI about that one, he knows exactly what I'm referring to.. Then on top of that, there was also another claim that several Ford dealerships carried his CAI in stock ? however when the question was asked as to what the names and contact info. for those dealers ? their was no response whatsoever.. So I suppose this means in the eyes of Granatelli ? I'm just another of those internet nay sayers ? well I'll put it this way, it's not because of the quality of his product or lack of it's because of my doubt of trustworthiness towards him as a person, because of those several inconsistencies that people like SKI and myself noticed firsthand.. I also meant what I said in an earlier post that I didn't believe that he would falsify any of his claims, and I'm not saying that he falsified anything now ?? I'm just clearly stating their are inconsistencies in some of them, for whatever reason that may happen to be ?

ScottM · Oct 17, 2006

Ahh, that clears things up. I'm by all means not a naysayer, we'll find out exactly how they perform when they hit the market.

Not a big deal or anything, but unless the fuego has faster memory, I wouldn't think that it having more memory would necessarily make it faster, just be able to hold more tunes.

ScottM · Oct 17, 2006

red05bullitgt said:
First off ?? I'm not here to start a thread war nor put anyone's product down ?..However, when it comes to Granatelli's claims ? especially when it comes down to his cold air kit ? there have been several inconsistencies on another forum about how his CAI that doesn't require any re-tuning ? is able to out perform all the other cold kits that require tuning ? in addition, there was also a claim that bamachips sold his product but when bamachips himself was asked about that claim ?? his response was that he neither sold his product nor had any knowledge of it ?? just ask SKI about that one, he knows exactly what I'm referring to.. Then on top of that, there was also another claim that several Ford dealerships carried his CAI in stock ? however when the question was asked as to what the names and contact info. for those dealers ? their was no response whatsoever ?? So I suppose this means in the eyes of Granatelli that I happen to be one of those internet nay sayers ? well I'll put it this way ? it's not because of the quality of his product or lack of ? it's because of my doubts of trustworthiness towards him as a person, because of those several inconsistencies that people like SKI and myself noticed firsthand.. I also meant what I said in an earlier post that I didn't believe that he would falsify any of his claims, and I'm not saying that he falsified anything now ?? I'm just clearly stating that their are inconsistencies in some of them, for whatever reason that may happen to be ?

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