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Ok I think I have finally narrowed my issue down to something to do with the fuel pump. I'm getting codes 87 and 96. What should I do to trouble shoot these codes?

Jrichker is there a link to your write ups on troubleshooting EEC codes? I think I would like to browse through them if possiable. Edumacate myself a little for possiable problems in the future

Also I keep getting a code 63 (TPS sensor). But I have reset this a dozen times and it keeps poping up. I check the voltage and its at .988. Any ideas on what I could be doing wrong?
 

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TPS could be a wiring issue. If you can, check the TPS value while the car is idling (some guy's values go up with the car on). With the car off, ensure you have a smooth sweep through the range, with no dips.

Is the issue intermittant? If not (or when it fails), probe the terminals in the FP relay socket and note the values. Then post if you need help deciphering the values.

Good luck.
 

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Code 87 – fuel pump primary circuit failure. The fuel pump lost power while the engine was running. Check fuel pump relay, check inertia switch, wiring to/from inertia switch, red wire going to inertia switch for +12volts. Check the other side of inertia switch for +12 volts.

To help troubleshoot the 87 code, follow this link for a wiring diagram for 89-93 cars [urlhttp://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?ForwardPage=az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/19/59/5a/0900823d8019595a.jsp [/url]

For 79-88 cars use, http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiB..._us/0900823d/80/16/71/3c/0900823d8016713c.jsp

Code 96 – KOEO- Fuel pump monitor circuit shows no power - Fuel pump relay or battery power feed was open - Power / Fuel Pump Circuits. The fuel pump lost power at some time while the ignition switch was in the run position.

Look for a failing fuel pump relay, bad connections or broken wiring. The fuel pump relay is located under the Mass Air Meter on Fox bodied stangs built after 91. On earlier model cars is under the passenger seat. On Mass Air Conversions, the signal lead that tells the computer that the fuel pump has power may not have been wired correctly. See http://www.stangnet.com/tech/maf/massairconversion.html

To help troubleshoot the 96 code , follow this link for a wiring diagram for 87-90 models http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

for 91-93 models see http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d80195960.gif

Look for power at the fuel pump - the fuel pump has a connector at the rear of the car with a pink/black wire and a black wire that goes to the fuel pump. The pink/black wire should be hot when the test connector is jumpered to the test position. . To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. it. No voltage when jumpered, check the fuel pump relay and fuse links.

86-90 Models:
Using the diagram, check the red/black wire from the fuel pump relay: you should see 12 volts or so. If not, check the inertia switch: on a hatch it is on the drivers side by the taillight. Look for a black rubber plug that pops out: if you don't find it, then loosen up the plastic trim. Check for voltage on both sides of the switch. If there is voltage on both sides, then check the Pink/black wire on the fuel pump relay: it is the power feed to the fuel pump. Good voltage there, then the fuel pump is the likely culprit since it is getting power. No voltage there, check the Orange/Lt blue wire, it is the power feed to the fuel pump relay & has a fuse link in it. Good voltage there & at the Pink/black wire, swap the relay.
 

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Thanks guys. I owe you two too many beers to count. Lol and likely I will be increasing this debt in the future.

PITA is that the car chassis is an 87 but the engine/trans combo is from a 92. Makes finding things interesting to say the least. But I'm taking it all in stride. I figure its a great learning experience.
 

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DmnStr8 said:
Thanks guys. I owe you two too many beers to count. Lol and likely I will be increasing this debt in the future.
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JR is the one who deserves the malted beverages, not I.
 

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OK I check the TPS through the range. Right before 2 volts it dips to about .4 then goes back up. Going backwards I don't find this dip. I'm assuming that this means I need a new TPS.

I have also noticed that the problem seems to start after the car has warmed up. This morning the car ran fine until after I had shut it off. When I cam back to start it again it cranked but immediatly died. Any ideas?
 

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Also I'm having trouble locating the fuel pump relay. The only thing under my passanger seat is a harness that is not attached to anything. I believe that it was for a powerseat. I wasn't able to find it near the Mass air meter either. Since this car is a converted 4 cyl and the chassis is an 87 while the engine is a 92 I believe that it could be anywhere. Any ideas on how to find it? I was able to rule out the inertia switch however.
 

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Normal location for the fuel pump relay is under the driver's seat.

You may have a speed density computer which would be the reason you can't find the mass air meter. Speed density didn't use a MAF.

The basic engine was the same from 87-93 except for the early engines had forged pistons. They all had the same manifold, heads, cam and engine mounted electrical accessories and sensors.

Since your car was a 4 to 8 cylinder conversion, the wiring may be seriously messed up if the guy who did the swap wasn't neat about what he did.
 

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oops. Your write up says its under the passenger seat. Lol guess I will check that out tomorrow.

Supposedly the swap was done by a Ford Master Tech and for the most part looks like it came with the car. Even my mech couldn't tell the difference. I think I was just looking in the wrong places. Thanks so much for the help.

I'm also assuming that I should pickup a new TPS. Right?
 
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