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Gotta question about Fuel Pressure!!

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Kdubslugga

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A few months ago 5.0 ran an article on Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulators, there stocker was running rich they said at "41 psi" with the vac line disconnected. My car is running at 44 psi with the vac line disconnected. Anyways 5.0 and Super Fords leaned out there pressure to 38 psi and gained 6 HP and 6 ft lbs to the wheels by leaning it out. But i hear people raise there pressure to get more power to so which is it? Im thinkin my car is running a bit rich at 44psi, so leaning it out will help right? Please set me straight on where to set my pressure at!!
 

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being you don't have much else on the engine than the intake the stock pressure would probably work best.

i think most guys that ramp up the fuel pressure have heads, cam, or both...although a dyno or some type of a/f meter is the only way to tell for sure if it's rich or lean.
 

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Ok thanks!! I had my car in a shop about a year ago and the guy told me it was a bit rich, so i just got a guage and im picking up a AFPR soon, so ill just turn it down a bit to around 38-39 with vac line disconnected. Thanks Again!
 
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Oxygen in the air is what burns in the combustion chamber, which is why nitrous (oxygen rich) makes so much power when you inject it into the mix.

The more fuel (a catalyst for combustion) you introduce into the mix, the better combustion will be, hence you hearing that people raise fuel pressure and gain power.

However, there is a point that the air:fuel mixture can be too rich with fuel (rich condition). When this point is crossed, the fuel will start displacing the optimal amount of air in the mixture and you will have less oxygen than is optimal for complete combustion and you will lose power.

So, if oxygen is what you need to make power, why not run really lean? Because fuel also cools the combustion process down a bit so things don't overheat in all the explosions going on inside the combustion chamber. If you run too lean (of fuel) too long, you can blow your motor and/or induce predetonation among other things causing you too rebuild the motor.

Every type of fuel has an air:fuel ratio that is considered stoichiometric. For gasoline, this number is 14.7:1. Most EFI computers try to run this AF ration at idle and get lower (richer) as you give throttle (introduce more air) to make good power and keep things cool. Ethanol is around like 9:1 if I am not mistaken but it could be a little higher. Don't worry about that though. The AF ratio you should want to make good power safely on a naturally aspirated engine is 13-13.5:1. If you run a lot of fuel pressure and it is causing you to run 11:1 (ideal for boosted applications) and you are NA, then you will gain power by lowering the fuel pressure or getting a tune/burn/flash, etc. If you are running over 13.5:1 when on the throttle, you will both gain power and safety by rasing fuel pressure (or getting a tune/burn/flash, etc.).

So in order to know what your AF ratio is you need to get a WIDEBAND O2 sensor/meter or get on a dyno that has one. This is the only thing that can effectively tell you what you need to do.
 

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Great response Mr. Potato Head!!! So it sounds like to me I should for now just turn it down to stock settings and have it dyno tuned later!! When ever i add my blower and stuff im defenetly gonna get a dyno tune!!
 

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You gotta remember too (if not mentioned) that when fiddle fattling around with an AFPR, the puter will lean you back out to stoich (sans WOT) by decreasing the injector pulsewidth.
 

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Mr. Potato Head said:
The AF ratio you should want to make good power safely on a naturally aspirated engine is 13-13.5:1.
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Not to throw a wrench in things because the above numbers for virtually everyone on here are adequate, but it isn't impossible to run 20:1 or higher with no negative impact on pump gas with the right setup. The C/R is determined by each application and the modifications performed.
 

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Adujusting fuel pressure isn't the proper way to tune the fuel:air ratio. If your running rich or lean on a EFI car, there is another problem. The computer is set to run the car a certian way, and if it's not, then another part is inop. Also, with a stock EFI computer, it is constantly cycling from rich to lean, it does this in order to make the converters work properly.
 
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Vipersix said:
Not to throw a wrench in things because the above numbers for virtually everyone on here are adequate, but it isn't impossible to run 20:1 or higher with no negative impact on pump gas with the right setup. The C/R is determined by each application and the modifications performed.
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With a stand alone you can run super lean at part throttle for gas mileage, etc. There are some extra factors as well, but for 99% of people on pump gas at full throttle, 13:1 is where it's at.
 

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Mr. Potato Head said:
There are some extra factors as well, but for 99% of people on pump gas at full throttle, 13:1 is where it's at.
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As I said, virtually everyone can follow these guidelines.
 
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