who is jackie chanmach1dsg said:if we're going to keep this thread going, we should at least define what a "bolted-on gt" or a gt with "minimal bolt-ons" is....
here in southern california i've never seen a gt with "minimal" mods to break the 13.9's barrier.(Cai,Pullies,catback,shifter). maybe our track sucks big time, maybe is a driver issue.
i'm pretty there are plenty of southern california gt guys here that can step in, tell us their mods and their times.
that doesn't mean a bolted-on gt won't run mid 13's or even lower than that with the right driver, but again, let's define the add-ons first ...
and not everybody would drive like evan smith,john force or jackie chan
hahah, thanks for the props. actually i would say a bolt on gt would have the good stuff, which there are really only a couple that work. The 2 best mods for a gt would be tune and midpipe.....gears of course are a great help too. the other stuff like cai's, catbacks, plenum, tbs and pullies maybe equal what a midpipe will give you power wise.mach1dsg said:if we're going to keep this thread going, we should at least define what a "bolted-on gt" or a gt with "minimal bolt-ons" is....
here in southern california i've never seen a gt with "minimal" mods to break the 13.9's barrier.(Cai,Pullies,catback,shifter). maybe our track sucks big time, maybe is a driver issue.
i'm pretty there are plenty of southern california gt guys here that can step in, tell us their mods and their times.
that doesn't mean a bolted-on gt won't run mid 13's or even lower than that with the right driver, but again, let's define the add-ons first ...
and not everybody would drive like evan smith,john force or jackie chan
04azuremach said:Saying a minimally modded GT can take a Mach 1 is rice boy talk. "I can take a '72 honda Civic and put 8 grand into it and have it run low 10's and spend 15 grand less than you did for your Mach 1!". You're saying basically the same thing.
Jackie Chan said:im taking offense to this....you are being ignorant if you dont think a bolt on gt cant run better than a stock mach you are wrong...i have two friends with coupes that i hvae competed with in fun ford weekend races with the same type of mods as i have that have ran 12's on street tires in there gt's.... This was under the old ffw street stang rule guidelines. Meaning, full weight, no longtubes stock longblock. gears, street tires and boltons only. one has ran as quick as 12.7 which was at gainesville back in june, its on video and well documented, the same guy ran 12.9 on stock gears too. there are plenty of mach guys that see me run at the track that know they will have their hands full if they lineup against me(a heavier version of the car you say cant beat yours)
i love machs, and am either getting rid of my car and buying an 03/04 cobrra or looking to swap a mach longblock in
i understand who you are arguing with, but your post made it sound like bolt on gts dont stand a chance against a mach, as a matter of fact most mach 1 owners that have posted on here portray that mentality04azuremach said:I think you misunderstood my point.
I wasn't comparing a GT to a '72 Honda Civic. I wasn't even saying a modded GT can't beat a Mach 1... in fact I think I admitted with mods it can have the same power. All I was saying is that any car can beat any car with mods and that kind of talk is rice boyish. But one person on here... (I don't feel like looking up his screen name) who I think started the whole argument said his 13.6 second GT can beat any mach 1. THAT is what I called bogus.
With a supercharger and forged internals I can beat a lamborghini Mercielago and save $250,000!
All I'm saying is that these statements are all similar and pointless.
Jackie Chan said:im taking offense to this....you are being ignorant if you dont think a bolt on gt cant run better than a stock mach you are wrong...i have two friends with coupes that i hvae competed with in fun ford weekend races with the same type of mods as i have that have ran 12's on street tires in there gt's.... This was under the old ffw street stang rule guidelines. Meaning, full weight, no longtubes stock longblock. gears, street tires and boltons only. one has ran as quick as 12.7 which was at gainesville back in june, its on video and well documented, the same guy ran 12.9 on stock gears too. there are plenty of mach guys that see me run at the track that know they will have their hands full if they lineup against me(a heavier version of the car you say cant beat yours)
Jackie Chan said:i understand who you are arguing with, but your post made it sound like bolt on gts dont stand a chance against a mach, as a matter of fact most mach 1 owners that have posted on here portray that mentality
04azuremach said:I only portray that mentallity because I've yet to lose to an NA Mustang GT. Not saying it'll never happen. But so far, so good. At Ford Fever Classic here at MIR in the factory stock class there were no GT's running mid 13's and all bolt on's and even drag radials were allowed. I've had a few give me a good run for my money, but top end I start to really get moving.
I did race an '99+ GT with a supercharger and I got the jump on him and he didn't catch me until about 115 on the street. He must have not have been pushing much boost or had a bad tune or both, but I definitely heard the blower as he caught up next to me.
I've yet to see an NA GT run a 12. I'm sure it's been done.
I had a kid in a silver GT pull up next to me and instantly talking crap... he had 3.73 gears,cold air intake, exhaust, headers, predator tune, superchip, and one or two other things. Then he said "You don't even want to embarass yourself." Light turned green and I proceeded to beat him by about 2 car lengths by the time I hit 100 mph. I slowed down and he passed me while giving me the finger. Not a very great encounter.
I'll admit he hung in there for awhile, but once I was half way through 3rd...
Keep in mind you're talking about a 225-230 RWHP car to a 275-285 RWHP car stock. A 50 RWHP deficit is not an easy gap to fill.
what would you like to see?mach1dsg said:i would love to see this....
Jackie Chan said:what would you like to see?
if its me lining up against a mach i am game....when i went to the strip on street tires there was a 5speed mach with some exhaust work on 15 in mickey thompson et street drs running low 13's....granted i was on street tires that night, i was only .3 behind him and not pulling good 60's. If I had been in practice with my sttreet tires i would have been much closer.
04azuremach said:My sister lives in Orlando so I might be down there within a year. By then I'd definitely race you, but right now I'd have to ask you to keep your stock tires or race me from a roll
only a .1 away, but my run wasnt in the best of weather....from the looks of those pics you were probably racing in 50-60 degree tepmps04azuremach said:Then again, since it would probably be on the street.. I'd race you with whatever tires you had on it... you've got my best time beat by less than a 10th...
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