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Power Surge

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I'd like to jab a hot soldering iron into the eyes of all the hackers of the world. And I'm not talking the computer kind. I'm talking the kind of people that do shoddy ass work on cars and should be shot.

I wanted to finish up my cage this weekend, and I started to prep the pass side floor to weld in the floor plate for the pass side bars. As I started stripping the paint off with the abrasive wheel, I came across an old familiar smell.... body filler. That's right. The entire pass front floor had about a 1/2" thick slathering of bondo across th entire floor surface, and then some cheezy fiberglass work up the footwell. It had been painted top and bottom, so you couldn't tell it was ever done. After I got through getting all that crap out of there, it was apparent the whole front floor was rotted out. I had to cut most of the floor and footwell out and will be welding in some fresh heavy gauge metal to attach the roll cage too. Just pissed me the hell off.

I will say one thing, for those of you with factory T-top cars, the factory added in torque boxes are some impressive pieces. Very heavy gauge metal, well attached to the car and very structural. Every II should have come with them. The nice thing about them is I can use them now as a template for where the new floor needs to sit .

One other thing worth mentioning, when I cut the old floor section out, I found that from years of driving, the subframe had about 2" of dirt/sand/crap inside it. No wonder the subframes rot out.
 
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mustang2

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I got a friend that does work like that. I once had a 71 Mustang with the floor pan rotted. He wanted to just fiberglass and bondo it. I don't believe in hiding the problem, I believe in fixing the problem. Needless to say he's not helping us work on the II.
 
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COBRAIIW

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mustang2 said:
I got a friend that does work like that. I once had a 71 Mustang with the floor pan rotted. He wanted to just fiberglass and bondo it. I don't believe in hiding the problem, I believe in fixing the problem. Needless to say he's not helping us work on the II.
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I pulled back the carpet on my old 75 Dart and found a STOP sign riveted in where the floor used to be!
 

T0BASC032

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COBRAIIW said:
I pulled back the carpet on my old 75 Dart and found a STOP sign riveted in where the floor used to be!
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...apparently the guy didn't bother to read the sign while he was installing it!
 

1970impala

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T0BASC032 said:


...apparently the guy didn't bother to read the sign while he was installing it!
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that is one of the funniest things i've heard for a while....what a dumba**!

maybe he should have used one that said "falling rust"...i mean "rocks"!
 

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Hey CobraIILover, any chance of posting pics of those torque boxes. I'm thinking of fabricating something like that for my Ghia convertible project.

Along the same lines as your find, my last Ghia had a series of 1/8" holes about an inch apart running across the rear interior plastic panel on each side of the car. I always wondered what they were until I started scraping off some undercoating inside the wheelwells and found sheet metal riveted over various rust holes. Apparently the guy didn't realize that he had drilled right through into the interior of the car when he made the repairs.
 

Power Surge

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Well, it wasn't much fun but the floor is fixed. I fabricated a new floor pan section, and got it welded in over the weekend. I guess the nice thing is the metal I used is stronger than what was there and the floor is much more rigid. Since the front floor plate will be welded to it, that's a good thing. Came out pretty nice .
 

Wart

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CobraIILover said:
I'd like to jab a hot soldering iron into the eyes of all the hackers of the world. And I'm not talking the computer kind. I'm talking the kind of people that do shoddy ass work on cars and should be shot.
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What would you call someone who gets a vehicle to this point without ever doing a thorough inspection to ascertain the structural integrity?A Hack?




'Specially after hacking out the innerfenders?



Best laugh I've had in a long time.

Thanks!
 
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Sounds like an old fight is brewing... why don't you guys take this aggression outside the forum? I suppose it is easy to talk badly about one another in a context like this but I feel it turns those who are very knowledgeable away... maybe that's why I haven't seen Cobraman around much lately? Anyhow that is my parental guidance and I'm not slamming either one of you. I'd just like a little bit more respect for diversity of opinion from all sides.

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Power Surge

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Wart, I know your post was just to start trouble as usual, but I will be the better man and reply to your question in a mature manner...

When I went and looked at this car, it was basically a shell with no motor or interior. The floors looked great, with just a few rust spots that I saw in the rear pans that were no big deal. Since I planned to do some extensive fab work on this car anyway, I wasn't too worried about the floors, just the main structure like the frame rails and structural points of the chassis. Now as for this pass side floor, it's amazing the length someone went to on it. Not only did they use lots of body filler and fiberglass, but they actually shaped the body filler to recreate the contour of the original floor pan, with the ribs and all. The floors were painted on top and bottom, and all finished it looked like a nice solid floor. The only way I'd have been able to tell how it really was, was to drill a hole through it, but I had no reason to suspect anything upon initial inspection.

With all the effort the guy put into this pass side floor, he might as well have just replaced the metal, it probably would have been easier .
 
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mustang2

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T0BASC032 said:


...apparently the guy didn't bother to read the sign while he was installing it!
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That's hilarious. LMAO!
 

Wart

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CobraIILover said:
Wart, I know your post was just to start trouble as usual, but I will be the better man and reply to your question in a mature manner...

When I went and looked at this car, it was basically a shell with no motor or interior. The floors looked great, with just a few rust spots that I saw in the rear pans that were no big deal. Since I planned to do some extensive fab work on this car anyway, I wasn't too worried about the floors, just the main structure like the frame rails and structural points of the chassis. Now as for this pass side floor, it's amazing the length someone went to on it. Not only did they use lots of body filler and fiberglass, but they actually shaped the body filler to recreate the contour of the original floor pan, with the ribs and all. The floors were painted on top and bottom, and all finished it looked like a nice solid floor. The only way I'd have been able to tell how it really was, was to drill a hole through it, but I had no reason to suspect anything upon initial inspection.
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Except it's a quarter century old car and , as usual, you saw only what you wanted.

When you write it was basically a shell with no interior do you mean it had no carpet? That's pretty bad.

Anyway you look at this you have to admit, it's a pretty big thing to miss.
 

Wart

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I have a 78 Mach, hasn't seen the road since the early to mid 80's. It was deliverd to someplace in the south (I have the DSO, was Atlanta I believe). At some point it was Zbarted. It may even have a dealer rust treatment.

I have been all over the car. Other than a bit of surface rust and one or two of the common holes in the rear wheel wells I can find nothing.

Though I can't find holes in the pan from under the car I know I still have to pull the carpet. Man, this pains me but it's still something that has to be done.

Why would I take apart what appears to be a virgin interior when there are no outward signs that I need to?

Because I know better.

I won't feel comfortable that I have discovered all the major cooties in this car till I take it apart.

But that's just me. Most people look at somethhing as being good till proven otherwise where I look at everything as being nothing till evidence is in, then reaching an opinion.
 

1970impala

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When i purchased mine, I had the guy take rolls of pics. he took undercarrage...specifically floor pan, under the carpet, under the spare tire, etc. I realize you can only do so much in pics but it was worth it to him...i paid his daughter's college tuition for a year...which is why he sold it
 
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dmoody

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Well I have to say I've made some pretty stupid choices when it comes to restoration cars. My second restoration project was/is a 68 fastback. I bought it when I was a senior in high school. It looked beatiful albeit without an engine. Then I read in a book about the old magnet trick to detect bondo. I put the magnet on the car, it fell off. Didn't even start to stick. I've basically had to rebody the car. I learned my lesson, but we all make mistakes some bigger than others. Nevertheless would I have bought that same car again... heck yeah! I love restoring cars and although chicken wire and bondo will always have a place in some people's toolboxes I only allow it to deter my purchase price not my enthusiasm.

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Blue Thunder

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I'd like to see those torque boxes, too.
 
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