Have you guys seen this?

Tom95gt · Dec 3, 2009

New wheels on project "Sniper" - SVTPerformance

New enigne pics. (Project Sniper) - SVTPerformance

YouTube - "Sniper"

revhead347 · Dec 3, 2009

Not sure why anyone would put a Viper engine into a Mustang, but to each their own I guess.

Kurt

302GTS · Dec 3, 2009

Not gonna lie... I think that's cool as hell! Would I ever do it to a Mustang of my own? Hell no! But it's a really neat idea, and definitely something I've never seen!

yukisho · Dec 4, 2009

Ridiculous. It is kinda cool. Would like to see a bit more video's though, like it moving or even revving.

Gearbanger 101 · Dec 4, 2009

Cool on paper, but in reality....You could make a small block Ford V8 run every bit as fast without near the effort...and not add a tonn of weight to the nose in the process.

....and it'll sound much better too....and not like an V12 with diarrhea.

Black95GTS · Dec 4, 2009

Gearbanger 101 said:
Cool on paper, but in reality....You could make a small block Ford V8 run every bit as fast without near the effort...and not add a tonn of weight to the nose in the process.

....and it'll sound much better too....and not like an V12 with diarrhea.

I don't know if you actually read the thread, but you would be damn hard pressed to find a small block ford running every bit as fast as a twin turbo 510 CI viper engine.

As far as adding a "ton" of weight? Dude, its a TWIN TURBO 510 CUBIC INCH V10 ENGINE!

Thread and build are awesome!

Adam

nmcgrawj · Dec 4, 2009

Black95GTS said:
I don't know if you actually read the thread, but you would be damn hard pressed to find a small block ford running every bit as fast as a twin turbo 510 CI viper engine.

As far as adding a "ton" of weight? Dude, its a TWIN TURBO 510 CUBIC INCH V10 ENGINE!

Thread and build are awesome!

Adam

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You'll always have your Ford nutswingers who throw up a little at the thought of a LSX swap, or in this case a viper motor swap. Ya never see an Fbody doing a ford motor swap lol.

American muscle is american muscle to me. The fact he actually got it in there gets a thumbs up from me

Besides the fact that i hate the way V10s sound, the project itself is still cool as hell.

revhead347 · Dec 4, 2009

Black95GTS said:
I don't know if you actually read the thread, but you would be damn hard pressed to find a small block ford running every bit as fast as a twin turbo 510 CI viper engine.

As far as adding a "ton" of weight? Dude, its a TWIN TURBO 510 CUBIC INCH V10 ENGINE!

Adam

I had a friend who worked for KRC. The problem with those Viper engines is that there is almost no aftermarket for it. Certainly no aftermarket like what you have for an SBF or an LSx. The popular Dodge engine is the hemi or the 360 magnum. If you want to make a fast car with a Dodge engine, that's what you use, not the Viper engine.

If you built an equivalent size Ford V8 with the same twin turbos to that Viper engine, it's going to be lighter, produce a lot more power, cost half as much, and hold it's beans a lot better. That's why I don't see the point.

Kurt

nmcgrawj · Dec 4, 2009

i dont know if it really matters that more power can be made on top of a twin turbo viper motor. How much can the chassis handle? How much does he need? Would a big block fit under a stock hood?

And producing a lot more power and costing half as much.....anyone can make that claim. Doing it is something different. I dont see a big block ford being anything in the area of being "light".

IMO its a "cool" factor since the Viper is a very respected sports car.

revhead347 · Dec 4, 2009

Those Viper engines are uber heavy. For the cost of putting that Viper engine in, you could have built a 450+ cid all aluminum Dart block SBF, and it's going to make more power.

Kurt

nmcgrawj · Dec 4, 2009

lol looks like some of the haters need to zip it. OWNED :Zip2:

nitmare said:
from a stock long block 302 with a PT-67 turbo, to a 331, to a 03 Cobra longblock with a T-76...and now this. Umm, the Viper guys are not all that supportive.haha...they don't like seeing their precious motors put to use elsewhere.

Cant believe a turbo on a 03 cobra longblock wasnt enough

nitmare said:
And by the way the car has been scaled at my buddies chassis shop and weighs in at 3,426 and has 52% of the weight up front and 48% on the rear which is pretty d@mn good. Go weigh your 95 GT 6 Speed with "bolt ons" and let me know how heavy it is...but at least you'll have the "V8 sound" and blend in with every other Mustang. Neat dude

Radiator was in place,and the hood is on the car if you look at the pic of it sitting in the garage, the full interior was in the car. The only thing that was not on the car are the turbo's which with plumbing will add probably 150 pounds. Viper motors are aluminum top to bottom so while their mass is much bigger they aren't like 500 pounds heavier. The car has a tubular K-member, coil overs, and that was on the Welds that it was weighed...find it hard to believe I guess

and if u fabbed this much crap, u could probably get a big block under a stock hood. Would be interesting to compare dimensions tho

nitmare said:
- I fabricated a k-member with lower center section to accomodate the height of the motor

- I I had to recess the firewall 10 inches to get the weight of the motor back far enough for the car not to excessively dive.

- I had to re-fabricate the trans tunnel

- Fab motor and trans mounts

- Fab the headers

- Fab the oil pan and pickup tube

- Make pedal assembly from scratch. The motor sitting where it does will not allow the the stock pedal assembly to work. You will also need to fab up a firewall mount for the clutch master cylinder as the Viper uses a hydraulic clutch

- I fabbed the shifter

- Added a 10 point cage in order to regain much needed rigidity after cutting the firewall

- I ran a complete Aeromotive fuel system with sumped tank and A1000 pump. A Stock Viper engine will be far too much for mustang fuel system

- Had to have lines made that mate the Vipers PS pump to the Ford hydroboost system and steering rack.

- Fabricate throttle linkage. Fab steering shaft that will reach the racks new location

- And of course fab literally dozens of odds and ends mounting brackets and whatnot.

nmcgrawj · Dec 4, 2009

revhead347 said:
Those Viper engines are uber heavy. For the cost of putting that Viper engine in, you could have built a 450+ cid all aluminum Dart block SBF, and it's going to make more power.

Kurt

Do you really think he's using the absolute most of the available power in his setup?

People here on this site are trying to decide between combos that both will make more than enough power.....so again, does it really matter the max power a combo can make when u wont use it?

Im trying to find how much he spent to do this. I dont see an all aluminum dart block being that much cheaper tho....

Husky44 · Dec 4, 2009

revhead347 said:
Not sure why anyone would put a Viper engine into a Mustang...

Umm, I think it's kinda like the answer to "why would anyone want to climb Mount Everest?"

Because he can.

Sure it's not practical, or even the most efficient way to make the most useable power, but how many of us dream of building something more than just useable power?

I'm very impressed with his fabrication ability. The fact that he's shoe-horned that much engine into that car, with that clean of a presentation, and that kind of front-rear balance? This guy is good! I hope to be half that good someday.

I also think putting a Viper engine into a Cobra is pretty clever.

And, HOLY CRAP, IT'S A TWIN-TURBO V10!!!!! What possible aftermarket mods could you be looking for (that the owner can't apparently make for himself?)????

revhead347 · Dec 4, 2009

Like I originally said. It's not the post practical, but to each their own. The major limiting factor to the Viper engine is the availability of better cylinder heads. That's something that is not easy to fabricate.

Kurt

Black95GTS · Dec 4, 2009

revhead347 said:
Those Viper engines are uber heavy. For the cost of putting that Viper engine in, you could have built a 450+ cid all aluminum Dart block SBF, and it's going to make more power.

Kurt

FYI, viper engines are all aluminum. Please post comparative weight of BBF 514 with Dodge 510.

Please post comparitive power level of BBF 514 twin turbo with Dodge 510 twin turbo.

Let the Googling commence.

Adam

nmcgrawj · Dec 4, 2009

revhead347 said:
Like I originally said. It's not the post practical, but to each their own. The major limiting factor to the Viper engine is the availability of better cylinder heads. That's something that is not easy to fabricate.

Kurt

Our e7 stock heads SUCK....

but when we throw a turbo on, we can make the block explode with those sucky heads.

No idea if there are even aftermarket cylinder heads available for the viper, at the very least i imagine u have room to gain ***if u need it*** by porting the stock heads. But again, when working with forced induction, is this something you really need to upgrade?

If the viper motor was so horrible, the car itself wouldnt be such an icon. I know when i was little, the viper was the car that made me fall in love with cars....this was what, back in 93? 94 maybe?

He will have an abundance of power on tap. So talking about him not being able to upgrade to other parts makes zero sense. Some guys dont like cross breeding with other motors in other bodies. Personally i love it.

If u dont like it, thats fine. But making up other excuses to knock it just doesnt make sense. Especially when there are cars in this very section that weigh a couple hundred pounds more than this stang with a viper motor.

yukisho · Dec 4, 2009

I think the issue most of you are having is the power to weight ratio, which in my opinion isn't all that great. I'm no expert, but I agree with revhead on this one. I would have gone with the cheaper route. But don't get me wrong, the idea of throwing a viper engine in a car is cool. But when it comes down to it, I really don't want to do all the custom work for it. I would rather do something that take a bit less sweat and tears.

The O.G. · Dec 4, 2009

My Build. Project "Sniper" - Corral Forums
Been reading this on the corral too.

The svt site hurts my brain. To many sig pics and quotes.

How much after market parts does the viper motor need?600 horse stock

nmcgrawj · Dec 4, 2009

yukisho said:
I think the issue most of you are having is the power to weight ratio, which in my opinion isn't all that great. I'm no expert, but I agree with revhead on this one. I would have gone with the cheaper route. But don't get me wrong, the idea of throwing a viper engine in a car is cool. But when it comes down to it, I really don't want to do all the custom work for it. I would rather do something that take a bit less sweat and tears.

power to weight ratio?

When he's gonna STOP at 900rwhp to save the tranny? When the car weighs as much as my car, your car, and 90% of the cars in this section?

The O.G. · Dec 4, 2009

You have to laugh about the comments about all that weight.

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