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Help me shut this freakin guy at work up!!

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dderek said:
hes arguing about a car that doesnt even exist.
theres nothing to even say.
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BINGO. I have faced this MULTIPLE times. it's always, "my uncle or dad has a car that would spank yours", or "as soon as mine is done, I'll kill your car". Just tell him, race now or shut up. Or do as I do, and just say "I don't race, I built it, I invested in it, I like it, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else." Because remember this, He might, by some fluke, or in reality, beat you, then what? I'll tell you, you will never get rid of this jackass, 10 years from now, you'll meet some guy who will say, "remember when you talked all that smack, then got your butt handed to you?". It's just not worth it, be the bigger man.
 
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Being have I own both, and a member of both types of forums, maybe I should start a war and put a link on both forums to see who comes in. HAHA.

Its alomst never a fair fight when you compare two car with only one having a poweradder. Hell I've even been beat by a Zx2 with a turbo, before in my farly modded 5.0 which has twice the cubes he did. You need a lot of extra cubic inches to make up for the poweradders.

Besides my 88lx I have a 71 dart with a 360 and it moves pretty well. As the cars are now. The stang can't keep up. The only thing that would seperate your car from his is the vortech.
Now he was to spend $500 dollar to match your poweradder with nitrous you would be seeing taillight all day.

My 71 dart swinger has 750 demon cam, edelbrock heads, TTI headers, 4:30 gear, 3800 stall converter. I have yet to dyno the car but I have seen same combos in the high 380 area in power. I have run low 13's. Which would not be enough compared to your 512hp, But if you get a poweradder it is only far he bring one too.

Now about the weight of these cars. Not to many people are famiular with the darts. These are Chrylser's strip down, bone accentual, factory race cars. Made light and fast with large engines. I don't care what brand you love, ( my self am a mustang fan to hart) Some dart including mine came with no air, no radio, rollup windows. Hell the hemi darts came with straps attached to the window to lift them up or down. If you were smart enough to by one with a hemi back in the era, nothing would have keeped up. Hemi darts are legendary.

I know my 71dart wieghts less than my 88lx by a few hundred pounds.
 

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yeah, most people think that because its old, its a tank and weighs alot. my brothers 71 mustang weighs just about the same as my gt did
 

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That old car will get murdered. I wish I was there for it.
 

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I think you got him too, but just wanted to chime in. I get those guys all the time..."I've got this or that and i'm gonna build it and beat you". The point is, right now, they don't have sh**. Like was poasted earlier tell him to run down the street and pass him on your bicycle. I love those guys, there so dumb, unless you already have it, dont bump your gums about how bad it is. Tell him your gonna put a jet engine in your 'stang and blow the doors off of his mopar. Its all talk, and it's cheap, horsepower and sweet rides are not. (Neither are wives for that matter.)
 

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If he is talking mass amounts of crap he is prob full of it. Have you actaully seen the car though? I dont talk crap, but I am unoffically building my Shelby to go after a White Single Turbo Surpa with "V8 HUNTER" on its plates. I dont know him but through the grape vine i know about his car and now i am pretty sure he nows knows about mine. I could maybe take his car with my notch but its still a dd and is on borrowed time with my stock block. You prob have they guy and if his project never seems to make progress he is prob full of it and you wont have a problem, so just keep an eye on it and until it does anything more then what he has planned you still prob have him.
 

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2BADSTANGS said:
Its all talk, and it's cheap, horsepower and sweet rides are not.
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Words to live by!
 

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Who will win?

Hmm, before or after you split your block

 
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Who cares? It's just talk and bs until/unless he actually builds it. With enough money, someone can always build a faster car. It's a ridiculous argument.
 

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strtrcr50 said:
FWIW, I've read a few tests where they test the same motor with carb vs injection and as I recall, the carb won every time in HP. That being said, I prefer injection.
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If you're talking about those old MM&FF or 5.0L & Super Ford's tests that were done years ago in their magazines, I remember them. I also remember a very bias comparison and although the carbureted cars made more horsepower at peek, the EFI cars made a pile more horsepower and torque under the curve.

Anyone who believes carburetors are superior to fuel injection needs to have their heads examined. They come from an era where 90% of the cars on the road had an old Rochester or Holley on them and refuse to change with the times no matter how often they get beat. Most of these guys are the same ones who think an aluminum intake an off the shelf "lumpy" cam and long tube headers will cut 2-seconds off of their ride and eveyone who'se got them automatically makes 350hp and above. These are usually the same kinds of guys that believe the old gross horsepower rating used in the 60’s and SAE net and RWHP are all the same figure.

A prime example is the Boss 302. It was one of the baddest cars of the 60’s and 70’s and was commonly known to be “underrated” horsepower wise from the factory for insurance purposes. Most guys of that era are still under the impression that the Boss is still a faster strait line car than all but the most serious high dollar machines on the road to day. When I reality, a stock '87-'93 Fox body would easily outrun it.....and I mean bone stock! Hell, even a 429 Boss has trouble hanging with a Fox body with a gear change and a few basic bolt ons.

The Carburetor is a dinosaur compared to EFI. Poorer emissions, lousy cold start, lesser fuel mileage.....just plain over all inferior efficiency in general. They’re good for a racer who’s starting their build from scratch on a budget, or for someone who refuses to get with the times and step out of the dark ages and knows nothing else but swapping jet sizes and screwing with float levels or idle air screws, but for anyone else it’s just impractical!

71swing said:
As the cars are now. The stang can't keep up. The only thing that would seperate your car from his is the vortech.
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If you're speaking of the cars discussed in the main body of this thread, I whole heartedly disagree. A Fox with a full bolt on, cammed 331 with aftermarket aluminum heads and intake will still put a hurtin on a basically stock 360 powered Dart with a rebuild and a compression bump.....and by no small margin either. You’re still talking a high 12-second Fox vs. a low 15-second (high 14-second if you’re lucky) Mopar here. The blower just ads insult....sorry, "major" insult to injury in this case IMO.
 

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Gearbanger 101 said:
If you're talking about those old MM&FF or 5.0L & Super Ford's tests that were done years ago in their magazines, I remember them. I also remember a very bias comparison and although the carbureted cars made more horsepower at peek, the EFI cars made a pile more horsepower and torque under the curve.

Anyone who believes carburetors are superior to fuel injection needs to have their heads examined. They come from an era where 90% of the cars on the road had an old Rochester or Holley on them and refuse to change with the times no matter how often they get beat. Most of these guys are the same ones who think an aluminum intake an off the shelf "lumpy" cam and long tube headers will cut 2-seconds off of their ride and eveyone who'se got them automatically makes 350hp and above. These are usually the same kinds of guys that believe the old gross horsepower rating used in the 60’s and SAE net and RWHP are all the same figure.

A prime example is the Boss 302. It was one of the baddest cars of the 60’s and 70’s and was commonly known to be “underrated” horsepower wise from the factory for insurance purposes. Most guys of that era are still under the impression that the Boss is still a faster strait line car than all but the most serious high dollar machines on the road to day. When I reality, a stock '87-'93 Fox body would easily outrun it.....and I mean bone stock! Hell, even a 429 Boss has trouble hanging with a Fox body with a gear change and a few basic bolt ons.

The Carburetor is a dinosaur compared to EFI. Poorer emissions, lousy cold start, lesser fuel mileage.....just plain over all inferior efficiency in general. They’re good for a racer who’s starting their build from scratch on a budget, or for someone who refuses to get with the times and step out of the dark ages and knows nothing else but swapping jet sizes and screwing with float levels or idle air screws, but for anyone else it’s just impractical!
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I agree with you on this one, buddy. Technology has a tendency to move forward...
 

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NikwoaC said:
I agree with you on this one, buddy.
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Finally....common ground.
 
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Nobody would win... his car isn't running. hehe
Kevin
 
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