Holy header headaches Batman!

Cool Wheels · Feb 22, 2004

I've been scouring the history on header's and it seems that they are a very tricky thing to have installed. But I want to ask a question:

If you could redo your headers on (a 302 MII) what would you do differently? What brand/model would you buy, being practical of course? What additional componants/processes are needed for the installation of that particular header?

BTW I'm also interested in the details of any problems encountered during installation of your headers

BTW to make this even more fun for me, I have a Maverick 302 in my beast so if anyone has some specific experience with this, insight is verrry much appreciated. Don't let this discourage any feedback on the general problem for the benefit of other viewers.

Wart · Feb 22, 2004

Cool Wheels said:
If you could redo your headers on (a 302 MII) what would you do differently? ... being practical of course ...

I would build my own.

Pratical is relative.

COBRAIIW · Feb 22, 2004

Maverick 302 shouldn't be any different than MustangII.

77sleeper · Feb 22, 2004

I have the dynomaxes, all I want is .25" bigger primaries

77CobraII · Feb 22, 2004

77sleeper said:
I have the dynomaxes, all I want is .25" bigger primaries

Me too. Do the Hooker headers have bigger primaries?

jeffnoel · Feb 23, 2004

Nope, Hookers also have 1 1/2" primaries.

Gael · Feb 23, 2004

The hooker 351w swap headers have 1 5/8 primaries, but they're a major PITA to install.

http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Products/ES/ESHHSCH/EngSwap.html#Ford

If you go down to Pinto, there's a 2 302's. No clue if those would be any good, but they have 1 5/8 primaries.

cobra_2_76 · Feb 23, 2004

I wouldn't do anything different. I have the Hooker 6120's, fit perfectly! Bought them un coated so I could make sure I didn't need any modifications then sent them off Jet Hot. Used the stainless band clamps to connect to my exhaust.

I've owned two sets and both have fit perfectly, and I do have the T-5 conversion using the II bell.

Dave

danimaltheanima · Feb 27, 2004

headers

I actually do not know which headers I have on my MII. I had bought the car with them and after re-building the car I am still using them. I needed no modifications to install them. No cuts in inner fender wells or anything. It is a very very tight fit though. But I did need to put them in while installing the motor and trans all at the same time. It went in sooo smooth. Actually probably the easiest install I've ever had. My guess is they are Hooker headers. Seems to be the most common on the MII's.

Bad Animal · Mar 3, 2004

Try some 5.0 fox body shorties!!! With a little bending they should go in. I had the hedman longtube 1.5 primary headers and they were a pain in the butt to put in. Plus you out grow the 1.5 primary real fast when you change cylinder heads or start to get serious with your motor!.

77CobraII · Mar 4, 2004

So both the Hooker headers and the Dynomax have the same primaries? I wanted to switch to Hooker headers so that I could get a little more flow. I do know that I had a heck of a time finding smaller header gaskets so that the dynomax headers would seal up. I think I ended up using a heavy duty mr. gasket that had the small opening. It sucks though cause my heads are ported out to fit a fel-pro 1415 gasket. I'm choking it up quite a bit. Any ideas? I thought of just putting manifolds on that have been extrude honed.

parthos · Mar 4, 2004

I would go to a front motor plate and do away with the motor mounts, then getting headers to fit would be no problem... I did read in a magazine a long time ago about headers and what would make the most hp and torque. They tried all sorts of headers on a 400 hp 302, and a set of headman headers with 1 1/2 primary tubes made the most power, and torque. Strange huh

perce111 · Mar 5, 2004

With regard to HP it's all gas velocity which is a combination of displacement + RPM's = air flow.......bigger isn't always better. [efficiency enters into it also]

77CobraII .... try no exhaust gasket!! just apply a ring of "High Temp" sealant on the header, reinstall and let sit for 8-12 hours.
I've used this technique a couple of time with great success.

Have a good one

Later

THE COBRAMAN · Mar 5, 2004

Bad Animal said:
Try some 5.0 fox body shorties!!! With a little bending they should go in.

Not even close.

Been there, done that, didn't work.

As to the original question, the regular II headers should fit, as long as the bellhousing isn't off the Maverick.

Just bought a parts car that had Hedmans in it with a T-bird bell. They actually got them in, but tubes 2&3 were smashed nearly closed

Cool Wheels · Mar 5, 2004

THE COBRAMAN said:
Not even close.

Been there, done that, didn't work.

As to the original question, the regular II headers should fit, as long as the bellhousing isn't off the Maverick.

Just bought a parts car that had Hedmans in it with a T-bird bell. They actually got them in, but tubes 2&3 were smashed nearly closed

Hmmm. Not sure where the bell came from. Is there a way to tell?

78pinto · Mar 6, 2004

Dynomax makes a Mustang II header? Do they make them for 351w engine into MII? How much are they, my buddy is looking for a set.

THE COBRAMAN · Mar 6, 2004

78pinto said:
Dynomax makes a Mustang II header? Do they make them for 351w engine into MII? How much are they, my buddy is looking for a set.

Not any more. Low sales history.

perce111 · Mar 7, 2004

Everybody wants bigger tubes......right? Bigger is better...wroooong
If you want some interesting reading pick up the May issue of
5.0 Mustangs & Super Fords.
They ran a series of tests, on shorties and long tube.
Their test engine was a 347 [15% larger than 302].
Their header sizes were 1.63 [17% larger than 1.5in] and
1.75 [16% larger].
Its like I said earlier engine horsepower in the area of exhaust
is based on the ability to scavge and that means an exhaust velocity in the vacinity of 300fps [feet-per-second].
The largest gain was long tubes in the lower RPM range, everywhere
else the hp diff from one to the other was 1 or 2 hp.

Later guys

77sleeper · Mar 7, 2004

true, but when I next start my II it will be a KB/331ci/afr185, that is a lot of air for 1.5

joeythesaint · Aug 10, 2004

Has anybody tried Frame Huggers on your II?

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