Steve-o said:I agree. Never buy a 15-40 year old car from a dealer. But don't privately buy a recent model year used car from anyone BUT a dealer. They can offer FACTORY extended warrantee, and help you protect your investment. Also, you will get a cut on finance charges, unless you are the 1% that has a sock under your matress with $16,000.00 stashed in it.
shatner saves said:I disagree. If someone buys a new car with the intent of selling it after a year or two, what incentive is there for that person to break it in properly? This is an issue common to used Dodge Vipers. The owners buy them new, they start doing smokey burnouts and using full revs right away, they completely ignore the break in procedure and exhibit generally bad habits in taking care of the motor. When they sell the car, everythings cool. 20k miles or so later, the thing uses oil and is loosing compression.
If I buy the thing new, follow the break-in/maintanence schedule and never rev the engine when cold, I'll be able to get a ton of miles out of it and enjoy it too.
My 5.0 doesn't start moving untill the oil pressure is completely up and it never sees more than 1800-2000 rpm before it's completely up to temperature. I've got over 180,000 kms on it, it doesn't use any oil, makes great power and still gets 24-26 mpg on the highway.
wythors said:I justify it two ways: I want it. I can afford it.
As far as the other cars you mentioned, I wouldn't own any one of them on a bet. The foreign cars you mentioned are all over-priced phallic replacements that cost a small fortune to repair after the warranty runs out and the 'Vette is, well, a 'Vette. If you drive a Mustang, you generally don't care for 'Vettes.
shatner saves said:I disagree. If someone buys a new car with the intent of selling it after a year or two, what incentive is there for that person to break it in properly? This is an issue common to used Dodge Vipers. The owners buy them new, they start doing smokey burnouts and using full revs right away, they completely ignore the break in procedure and exhibit generally bad habits in taking care of the motor. When they sell the car, everythings cool. 20k miles or so later, the thing uses oil and is loosing compression.
Ok so you have the only verifiable 60 year old owned mustang. But how many more do you think there are? I was told my cobra was owned by a 45 year old that babied it. Then I went to the dealer that originally sold it to him. And found out he actually has a racing license and really uses his cars. My friebd bought a 98. They salesman claimed the owner babied it, never burned off the tires. But a 25k it had new rear tires. I bought my cobra used. And while I like it. The next car I buy will be what I want.HairyCanary said:My '99 Cobra was driven by a 60 year old grandma. Seriously. I bought it from her, she hadn't driven it in a few months because she had rheumatoid arthritis and just had recent surgery, so she couldn't drive a stick anymore. So it does happen every once in awhile .
About buying a new car -- I don't need a reason, other than "I want it.". Why do we buy *anything* brand new? It's nice to know the entire history of a car, and if you intend to keep it for a good long time, why not buy it brand new.
Dave
The 15k mile tuneup on a 360 modena is somwhere in the $8000 to $12000 dollar range. I'm not exactly sure of the number, so it might actually be more. I do know that one of the reasons it's so expensive is that this service includes replacing the timing chain and you have to drop the engine to do it!66Satellite said:Compare that to Ferrari owners. Most of those guys are old and just tool around the neighborhood. And try to find a used Ferrari with more than 15k miles--it's nearly impossible. There's an incredibly expensive 15k mile tuneup and most Ferrari guys unload their cars before they have to pay for it. Porsche guys (911 guys) seem to put miles on their cars but maintain them well and don't abuse them.
RodStang said:My mom is 64 and drives a convertible Corvette. I doubt she has ever had it over 2000 RPM.
My mom rules.
66Satellite said:Especially new American cars, which depreciate very rapidly. Right now 99 GTs can be had for less than $10k. And for the price of an 05 GT you could get a well maintained late model Boxster, XK8, Vette, 540i, etc. Is it the ease of financing a new car, the lure or that "new car smell" or having the "latest and greatest" or the warranty or picking your exact color or what? Don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing what comes out each year, and I'm glad people buy new cars, but I don't really get it.
Not many. Don't get me wrong, I was just gloating about my good luck in finding the one I did.SVTdriver said:Ok so you have the only verifiable 60 year old owned mustang. But how many more do you think there are?
That isn't normal? Doh! My '98 Cobra needed new tires with 25k miles on the clock. Had to wait until after they finished replacing the engine and transmission, since it spun a rod bearing the night I took it home... whoops. I'm thinking that car had a hard life before I bought it. And it didn't exactly get easier after I bought it either...But a 25k it had new rear tires. I bought my cobra used. And while I like it. The next car I buy will be what I want.
shatner saves said:The 15k mile tuneup on a 360 modena is somwhere in the $8000 to $12000 dollar range. I'm not exactly sure of the number, so it might actually be more. I do know that one of the reasons it's so expensive is that this service includes replacing the timing chain and you have to drop the engine to do it!
I raced with a few people that owned various ferrari's, porsche's, BMW's. Once, I was having a pretty random day at the track (laguna seca) so one of them took me for a joy ride in his 360 to cheer me up. Earlier that year I did a really excellent job of not taking him out when I was running him down and had a brake failure, so maybe he was paying me back for that. All I can say is WOW! We took the back road from the track, down the hill to highway 68. Picture your quintessential twisty, smooth 2 lane northern Cali road and you'll understand. Absolutely amazing. Just a different world from anything I'd been in before or since. In hindsight, it probably wasn't the smartest thing I ever agreed to, as Dave's on track performances were accident prone to say the least. I'm still in one piece so I guess it was OK.
Dave was actually in line to buy a Vette Z06, as I guess he had an empty space in the garage next to his Viper (rich people suck!). He put in his order and waited patiently for it to arrive. Some time goes by, the dealer calls him up to tell him it was there, so he goes there the next day to pick up his car. When he got to the dealership, he found out they sold the car to someone else who offered them $5k more for it. Dave took his deposit and vowed never to set foot in that dealership again. This is a perfectly idiotic move on the part of the dealership as Dave has cubic dollars in the bank. If they had treated the guy with a little respect, he'd be buying new vette's from that place for years. He promptly bought the Ferrari and never looked back.
Not long after getting the Ferrari, he took it to Thunderhill for 2 days of hot lapping. When he got back, he took it into the dealership to have the brake rotors turned and have new brake pads put in. That service cost $2500!
351CJ said:It's pretty easy for me to justify a new car.
Many people nickle and dime themselfs to death, spending a $5 here, $10 there, $20 over here. I see people who always have to have the latest gaget. Some people I know seem to change cell phones, PDA's, computers, TV's, etc. more freqently than I change the oil in my cars.
Other people I know will go and hire a painter for $1,000 to paint a room in their house. I spend $75 on paint & materials and do it myself.
So I'm dirt cheap when it comes to wasting money here and there on the little things. I save up my nickels and dimes and then every few years I blow it all in one shot on a new car.
351CJ said:The question I have is how do you justify spending any $$ on modifying your car. ?
Virtually any $$ you spend on modifications is worth ZERO the day you fork your money over. Then once you install your aftermarket parts the value of your car usually goes down making it a double loss.
spanky442 said:Nothing against Ferrari or anything. I think they are great cars and all, but they are not known for their reliability. There are racecars. How reliable are racecars. There was some rockstar on the radio one day, I think it was Eddy Van Halen, anyway, he claimed the first he bought when he made it was a Ferrari. He drove it everywhere. At 30K miles it was falling apart. Those cars are very high maintainence and cost big $$ to fix. These cars usually have the latest high-tech goodies that require special care and maintaince. Being able to afford one of these machines is one thing, being able to afford to maintain them is another.
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