How is the steering supposed to feel on a 5.0?

HISSIN50 · Feb 15, 2006

Mustang5L5 said:
Few notice it, but once you do it sticks out like a sore thumb.

I checked it out closer while gettin in the car today. My mind could be fooling me, but the wheel looks like it is perceptably angled toward the driver door (on the '94). I had noticed this before, but not on the 88 GT vert (the lack of structure could jade my perspective, or the fox is not angled as much).

352Ford2 · Feb 15, 2006

I have been thinking of dropping the PS line pressure on my 88 to heavy up the steering a bit

HISSIN50 · Feb 15, 2006

352Ford2 said:
I have been thinking of dropping the PS line pressure on my 88 to heavy up the steering a bit

It should get quite a good bit heavier.

352, it seems to me that you are the engineer type (we know Mike is too). What do you guys think of installing some sort of restrictor in the high pressure line, rather than doing away with it altogether? Seems like it *might* provide more feedback that way, without feeling like steering a whale. It would help preserve the rack longer I would think too.

Kumm3 · Feb 16, 2006

HISSIN50 said:
It should get quite a good bit heavier.

352, it seems to me that you are the engineer type (we know Mike is too). What do you guys think of installing some sort of restrictor in the high pressure line, rather than doing away with it altogether? Seems like it *might* provide more feedback that way, without feeling like steering a whale. It would help preserve the rack longer I would think too.

i thought of this as well, but everything that i have learned has told me that this will effectively raise the pressure and possibly burn out the pump prematurely

Foxfan88 · Feb 16, 2006

i like a slightly harder steering wheel, but my fox's steering isnt too bad, i have never said "**** this steering is light" but i do like it harder to turn like in some newer cars.

352Ford2 · Feb 16, 2006

Kumm3 said:
i thought of this as well, but everything that i have learned has told me that this will effectively raise the pressure and possibly burn out the pump prematurely

just run a bypass line from the high press side to the low pressure side with a adjustible reg and you should be good. the pump will actualy be working less hard

Zero_chance · Feb 16, 2006

I never consider my 88 5.0 easy to steer though it is a lot lighter than my old 94. Anyone here drive an Aviator with the VAPS II steering system? At max assist, that is some light a$$ steering.

Mustang5L5 · Feb 16, 2006

HISSIN50 said:
It should get quite a good bit heavier.

352, it seems to me that you are the engineer type (we know Mike is too). What do you guys think of installing some sort of restrictor in the high pressure line, rather than doing away with it altogether? Seems like it *might* provide more feedback that way, without feeling like steering a whale. It would help preserve the rack longer I would think too.

It's a great idea but i can't in good conscience recommend someone modding a component like this. I generally try to stay away from posting suggestions about "redneck engineering" something that if it fails may get someone killed. With Brakes, suspension, steering and other vital components, i just say buy the right parts and hardware or quality aftermarket components.

Last thing i need to read about is someones steering failing and them running their car into a wall because i suggested they install a restrictor.

In theory it could work, but it could also put more strain on the steering rack and pinion itself and cause premature wear.

If you guys want SN95 feel to your steering, install an SN95 rack. I read a good write-up on it on the corral but can't seem to find it.

Euphoric306 · Feb 17, 2006

found a forum with a lot of great info

from just skimming through theyve got a 2000 cobra r rack thatll bolt up with a different bottom u joint on the rack or different rack altogether, and sn-95 tie rod ends.

or i guess an sn-95 rack will work with 92 taurus tie rod ends?

too tired to make sense of all this, someone sort out the info maybe? thanks

Kerpal · Feb 17, 2006

what's the link to that forum?

Kumm3 · Feb 17, 2006

Euphoric306 said:
or i guess an sn-95 rack will work with 92 taurus tie rod ends?

thats exactly what was used on the 93 Cobra R

stangjunkie · Feb 17, 2006

what if you underdrive the power steering pump?? it will build up less pressure then you could restrict the line or unerdrive may be enough on its own?? just a thought

rd · Feb 17, 2006

I like the standard Mustang ps. Its light and easy to drive, and does not take any extra concentration. I wish the racks would not leak so often.

Even my manual rack 82 is relatively easy to steer.

I'm not much into steering feedback and feel. I want to drive comfortably and easily. If they track straight at 100 or so, for that last few seconds before you clear the finish line, then they steer pefectly.

frankienstang · Feb 17, 2006

in my car to correct the problem was to put in a short ratio sterring rack. it is 15:1 as opposed to a 17:1 stock rack. it really tightened things up. instead of a quarter turn to change lanes, it barely have to bump the wheel. it is ideal for an autocross course also. this place in my area sells them for 65.00. we put one in my buddy's car also. it gives you the impression of driving a go cart.

stangjunkie · Feb 17, 2006

any info on that rack?? web site phone number??

frankienstang · Feb 17, 2006

the name of the place is "undercar specialty warehouse" their phone number is (937) 252-8890. it is a remanufactered rack is probably why it is so cheap. i have had no problems with mine at all, it makes a world of difference in the feel of my car, one of the best upgades i have done so far.

stangjunkie · Feb 17, 2006

my spec sheet says fox'es came stock with 18:1 now to put that in perspective the new 05 have 15.7:1 so 15:1 would be good how firm is that?? too firm for an auto x car??

Euphoric306 · Feb 17, 2006

firmness has nothing to do with the ratio, the ratio just means how far you have to turn the wheel before the wheels turn a certain amount, like a truck vs a mustang, different ratio, i have to hand over hand to park in my dads ranger, but just a slight turn in my stang

im sure v8 foxes came with 15:1, v6 and 4cyls came with the 20:1

my apologies it was late and didnt realize the link didnt show here it is now

http://forums.corner-carvers.com/showthread.php?t=13876

it links to other threads that are about alternators and what not but they also have random info about the steering rack swap.

ramjetlx · Feb 17, 2006

stangjunkie said:
my spec sheet says fox'es came stock with 18:1 now to put that in perspective the new 05 have 15.7:1 so 15:1 would be good how firm is that?? too firm for an auto x car??

The V8 foxes came with a 15:1 steering ratio. Some companies offer a manual rack with this ratio also, I believe Flaming River is one of them. The turning radius in the new mustangs are much better then the foxes despite being a much bigger car.

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