Just pointing out that to bash "older" mustang drivers without knowing any of them is pointless. So are you and everyone else here being "IGNORANT" or ARROGANT??? I'm guessing a little of both, and you probably do know some "older" mustang drivers so..........yes, I'm a little arrogant but I'm also wiser to know the difference between the two.and with being older comes the classic arrogance that can only be achieved through years of practice.
and the award for the most useless post of the thread goes to.....
Just pointing out that to bash "older" mustang drivers without knowing any of them is pointless. So are you and everyone else here being "IGNORANT" or ARROGANT??? I'm guessing a little of both, and you probably do know some "older" mustang drivers so..........yes, I'm a little arrogant but I'm also wiser to know the difference between the two.
just some FYI...
4 valves are better than 3....
and pushrods own!
ive raced plenty of modded 05's in my heavy (3680lbs) without me in it. 230lbs....so 4000lbs lol
and all it took was an off road pipe, bassanis welded into my stock catback, and a JLT....with no grears or a tune......
3 valves have the down low TQ 4 valves are missing....but the 4's way supercede on the top end....
and i have 4.30's for TQ loss
i have 0000000000000 problems beating an 05+, and machs have better heads, cams for NA applications, and a better flowing manifold.
EPIKS mach is nasty....bottom line. TGJ go get served by a 4 valve now!
THANKS!!!
now let the flaming commence.......
I say get the full PI swap first and foremost. Next get some 3.73's or 4.10's. You need to get that thing right out of the hole. You can get a jump on the 05-08 GT's because of their fly-by-wire thottle control. They lag for a split second when you mash the gas. (You can get rid of that with a tune, but most people are prolly still stock with those.)
Hmm, things are slowing down here, lets stir the pot:
96 Mustang GT = $5000?
ported PI heads+stage1/2 NA cam+springs+PI intake+suspension+brakes = $1800-$2900 depending on if you do it yourself and if you buy used/new.
Then bolt on's and tune= $1600-$2200
Total: $8.5-9.5k or so? Then maybe $800-1k for wheels/tires 275-300rwhp (completely depending on mods and tune)@3077lbs
04 Mach 1: $17.5k 270-280rwhp@3465
05 GT: $18.5-19.5k 275-285rwhp @3450
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hahahahahahaha well if you wanna look at it that way try this one out 2000 civic Si 5000 + 4000 turbo system with a few other mods lol walks both cars with ease lol. buddy of mine actually had one with 408whp on 14psi it ran 11.4s lol
but man this is one interesting and long thread lol everyone arguing who is faster lol. who cares we should not be arguing with each other we should be going after the ls1s and the turbocharged imports and not bashing other stangs. i mean dang this thread turned from a simple question into a heated debate lol
Well 4 different 03 - 04 Mach1's have tried to *serve* me, I am 7W 0L against them...
Odd, from a few very reputable sources, the best flowing factory intake manifold is found on the 3V. It significantly outflows the Mach1's intake manifold.
yeah, im just stirring the pot. I dont even agree with my contention - cuz with that logic the money would be better spent on a supercharged/intercooled 99+ that would beat all the cars.
But doesn't s civic need built internals and usually a B16 swap to hit 400's?
i was comparing a machs manifold to that of a 99/01 cobra manifold......because i have no issues pulling on one.
i belive the 99/01's are like 240cfm and machs are 295.....
and maybe youre right! youve gotten 7 out of 7. your opponent must of not known how to drive there car. NA 4 valves NEED to be reved out.....or else they suck......
this is pretty much a pointless debate.....machs are BY FAR the best performing NA stangs to date. and please dont try to argue that...its pure fact and common sense as to why they are. so try and not be biased because you own a 05+ or becasue you spent $30k on one and your trying to justify your purchase.......ok??
Hmm, things are slowing down here, lets stir the pot:
96 Mustang GT = $5000?
ported PI heads+stage1/2 NA cam+springs+PI intake+suspension+brakes = $1800-$2900 depending on if you do it yourself and if you buy used/new.
Then bolt on's and tune= $1600-$2200
Total: $8.5-9.5k or so? Then maybe $800-1k for wheels/tires. 275-300rwhp (completely depending on mods and tune)@3077lbs
04 Mach 1: $17.5k 270-280rwhp@3465lbs
05 GT: $18.5-19.5k 275-285rwhp @3450lbs
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Sounds like the 05+ Drivers around you actually have some brains and don't want to street race...
Well done to them...
2008-1996 = 12, plus you can get get a 98 for the same price. And are we talking about interior, build quality, and reliability again Gearbanger?:Zip2:1996 Mustang GT = 13-year-old car, with 13-year-old car problems. Hence the price difference.
.....do I really need to go on from there?
2008-1996 = 12, plus you can get get a 98 for the same price. And are we talking about interior, build quality, and reliability again Gearbanger?:Zip2:
j/k, i love this thread
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