Right, i whole heartedly admit the S197's a better car is most every aspect. If someone said choose between a 05+ or my years or new edges or 5.0's i'd say give me the newest 05+ you can! But if i saved up $20k or i'm going to have to finance that and make payments, there's an inherent opportunity cost in buying a new car. In 8 years i'd say the same thing about the S197 as it being a better deal. My argument isn't car specific. Yes, this is only logical when considering performance and power - but you're repeatedly bringing up things like warranties, interior, and age of a car in a thread 7 pages full of discussions concerning performance. If you brought this up in another thread about which car to buy, i'd back you. And I have (refer to old thread where i back a 05+ over even a 03 cobra - I think maybe WhyAsk's thread). But if you want to buy a car for performance you're going to have to mod either car - for none are jaw droopingly fast stock. So might as well have a car with built internals, ported heads, suspension and FI before you even approach the price of a S197 - this is logic, not priorities. The motif of performance was set during the birth of this thread, not by me.