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Does anyone race a mustang that can hang the wheels? Not by pouring 500lbs of concrete in the back, but by shear brute force?

What size tires? What type of suspension? And how much power?

Ive got a Transbrake C4 with a 3000 stall and 69mm turbocharged 302. I can crank up the boost, but with a stock block, 600hp is the max. I've been considering a 5K stall, tubbed rear and wide ass mickey thompsons. I already have the battery trunk mounted and P/S and A/C have been removed.

So, if you've done it, please share your setup, cuz wheel stands are just bad ass!

 

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There are guys on here who are MUCH better qualified to answer this than me, but I'll give it a shot...

One word: traction. Wide, sticky tires, chassis stiffening, and a trans brake should get you there. Heat up the slicks very well and launch hard. By the way, 600 horsepower on a stock block is like pulling the pin on a hand grenade, haha. But sometimes you just gotta let it eat.

Wheelstand Black LX first hit with a turbo on it! - Car Videos on StreetFire

 

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ive seen it with drag radials, mostly momentum was used, just kept giving it throttle to let the front end to start moving up and down, then floored it and got it to do a decent wheel stand

 

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seen it on drag radials and stock suspension. Basically(though I've never hung the front tires in my stang) it equates to traction and power. Somebody correct me if I am wrong. 600hp on a stock block?!? Take pics and post them after you split the block

 

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It does take some power and some traction but not as much power as some think, its all about the suspension. High powered cars have to reverse engineer (so to speak) trying to keep the front end from going skyward too far.

The ideal wheel setup is to have the left front just off the ground and the right front just barely touching. Any more then you are just wasting energy in lifting the car instead of propelling it forward and any less then you are not getting 100% of the weight to the rear. Really, you don't need to transfer any more power than nessasary, or like I was saying, you are wasting energy. Oh yeah, a light front end helps too.

 

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Ive seen a probably 280 horse engine pu;; the wheels off of the groug, it is all in the suspention
(edit) spelling, I have been drinking. but I have seen it.

 

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90mustangGT said:

It does take some power and some traction but not as much power as some think, its all about the suspension. High powered cars have to reverse engineer (so to speak) trying to keep the front end from going skyward too far.

The ideal wheel setup is to have the left front just off the ground and the right front just barely touching. Any more then you are just wasting energy in lifting the car instead of propelling it forward and any less then you are not getting 100% of the weight to the rear. Really, you don't need to transfer any more power than nessasary, or like I was saying, you are wasting energy. Oh yeah, a light front end helps too.

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Ideally both wheels leave the ground at the same time, or not at all. One wheel means you're wasting energy in chassis flex.

 

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torque, weight transfer, and traction! However, the initial burst from the line might be limited with your car since you're running a turbo (transbrake will help a lot) turbos need to spool to make boost and simply reving the motor will only build so much boost. A lot of turbo cars come off the line a little soft but there are a lot of variables that come into play about when your car hits boost. Don't get me wrong, there are planty of turbo cars that can hang the wheels, but building boost quickly is something that many racers want to achieve. Vice versa, some of the high hp guys like to build boost a little later so they do not blow the tires off at the beginning of the track. Some racers will even introduce a small shot of nitrous to help spool the turbo(s) quicker. Having your suspension set up with good weight transfer, and traction makes everything easier to hang the wheels. When you start going really fast, hanging the wheels will be something you try to limit (wheelie bars!) Good luck!

 

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StangGT1995 said:

Ideally both wheels leave the ground at the same time, or not at all. One wheel means you're wasting energy in chassis flex.

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Lots of ideals out there but in reality there will be some chassis flex, but under control, that is why I mean one tire barely off the ground and one barely touching. Oh, and if it doesn't bend, it will break. I love those tim lynch videos where he just lifts the wheels about a half a foot off the ground and carries that perfectly to about the 1/8th mark, .

 

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Awesome guys, thanks! So you're saying 500 HP Max??? Is that still enough? Got the transbrake, but need a larger stall. Its still a street car so drag radials are a must, but I also want to stay away from 6000 rpm stall converters!

 

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I've seen plenty of wheelstands on drag radials at the World Ford Challenge Wild Street runs when they were being hosted at Gateway, and I think those guys were limited to running 10" tires. So, it can definitely be done. As stated, it's about traction, weight distribution, and how/when the power comes.

Wheelstands are impressive, but scary, too. Let it slam down too fast, the front end can bounce you off course and send you into a wall; stand on it too long and too hard when they're up in the air (especially if you're running without a wheelie bar), you can wind up getting unstable and rolling the thing. I can imagine it'd be a fun ride ... but I'd wanna be wearing some adult diapers just in case the front end doesn't come back down smoothly.