installation of ATI p600b sc complete

[BlueMonster65]

well its been awhile since i posted here. i've been busy adding a p600b procharger to my 65 mustang. iprior to the supercharger the car made 220hp and 260lbft torque at the rear wheels ona dynojet dyno. i still have some serious tuning to do before i can get some dyno numbers but on my initial test drive i was impressed. the car will spin the 225/45 zr17 tires until i take my foot off the go pedal. i encoutered many obstacles and it took about 9 months which is about as long as i expected considering the amount of things i changed and modified. i'm attaching a pic of the engine compartment. let me know what you think.

 

[10secgoal]

Hey, i've seen these pics before.

 

[StaffAmerica74]

I love your stang man.... How much psi do you get from the supercharger and whats done to your bottom end?

 

[BlueMonster65]

so far

its a stock bottom end with cast 9.7:1 pistons. it pulleyed for 9psi. its made 6psi at about 5grand with no problems. but i'm still working out the bugs. it should be good for aboiut 450hp flywheel so as long as it doesn't go lean the cast pistons should be ok. especially since its really a street car and probably won't see a track at all.

 

[iskwezm]

Did you notice if the car ran hotter?????Mine did.

 

[ForceFed70]

Looks really good!

So what were some of your obsticals?

 

[BlueMonster65]

no actually the car runs cooler now since i installed a becool aluminum radiator out of a 69 camaro and a permacool fingerchopper electric fan. i was having a problem initially with the becool fan but after i switched it, it stays right a 160deg. there were many obstabcles with this project. i changed to an aluminum fuel cell and fabricated a trunk floor, ran -8an supply and return lines, oil supply and return lines for the SC. cut the radiator support to fit the bigger radiator in and used the ingless coolflex style hoses. installed a msd BTM. upgraded my fuel sytem with a mallory comp110fi pump. switched to a serpentine belt drive. had to fabricate some brackets for the accessories and modify some things to fit the SC in and line it up. i cut a cold air intake into the drivers side inner fender. relocated the battery to the trunk and i did a bunch of other things too. all of them 100% worth it now that its pretty much done. oh and i think its a 6lb pulley, but i keep forgeting to check on that.

 

[iskwezm]

im having a problem keeping the new motor cool,but its only got 50 miles and the blower isnt even on yet. What kind of fuel pressure are you running and what kind of regulator.Im kind of nervous about really stepping on this motor since the carb builder is trying to sell me a $1000 fuel system and saying mine wont keep up.Its a Summit pump 110 GPH with 22 PSI liine pressure and paxton boost referenced regulator.

 

[BlueMonster65]

i'm running a mallory comp110FI pump with 4307m regulator. its an electric efi pump. i run a base pressure of 7psi and the reg. rises pressure 1 to 1 with boost. i spent probably a thousand on the fuel system between the fuel cell, pump, lines, fittings, and filters. it is NOT a good idea to skimp on the fuel system. is the summit pump you have an electric one? if so they do not make an electric pump capable of supporting blowthru supercharging or turbo charging. some people have had good luck with boost referencing a mechanical pump but for an electric pump the usual holley blue or even a good mallory comp 250 won't work. they are not designed to flow fuel at high pressures and will run lean as you build boost ultimately destroying the engine. when you say your car is running hot is it when you are driving it or when its idling or sitting in traffic?

 

[iskwezm]

i'm running a mallory comp110FI pump with 4307m regulator. its an electric efi pump. i run a base pressure of 7psi and the reg. rises pressure 1 to 1 with boost. i spent probably a thousand on the fuel system between the fuel cell, pump, lines, fittings, and filters. it is NOT a good idea to skimp on the fuel system. is the summit pump you have an electric one? if so they do not make an electric pump capable of supporting blowthru supercharging or turbo charging. some people have had good luck with boost referencing a mechanical pump but for an electric pump the usual holley blue or even a good mallory comp 250 won't work. they are not designed to flow fuel at high pressures and will run lean as you build boost ultimately destroying the engine. when you say your car is running hot is it when you are driving it or when its idling or sitting in traffic?

the summit billet pump is electric,140 GPH and 18 PSI line pressure and a built carb made for the engine specs..As far as running hot,takes a while,but when it reaches 200,it doest cool,just creeps higher,still think the motor is tight,and the carb is rich(made for blower).Its not as bad as when it first got running.

 

[BlueMonster65]

i still dont think that pump will be good.

fuel pressure is not the only requirement for a blow thru application. the pump needs to be able to provide the volume of fuel required to make the horsepower level desired at the pressure level required by the boost you are trying to run. for example a aeromotive hot rod pump can almost safely provide fuel for a engine running 6lbs of boost making under 400hp. by comparison the aeromotive a1000 can supply fuel for up to 1000hp with boost pressures exceeding 20psi. iskwezm, i encourage you to research turbomustangs forums. i don't think the pump you are using can support the boost levels you are running and i would not want anything to happen to your new engine. the summit pump you are using is rated for 18psi freeflow, with filters and lines and various turns and fittings i would be shocked if it could make over 12psi line pressure. a far cry from being able to provide the minimum 17psi you require. if by some miricle the pump can maintain 17psi i would have to question the volume it is flowing since that style of pump flows substantially less fuel as the pressure increases. you can reference aeromotive's website for graphs since their hotrod pump is basically the same design. however that is probably not why your car runs hot. i would guess either its the fan or the radiator. what kind of radiator and fan do you have?

 

[Vinyl66]

Great looking installation!

That sure looks like a lot of work. Especially the fuel system. You are right that the fuel system is of utmost importance in a boosted situation.
Certainly after all of that fine work you will let your Stang stretch it's legs out at the nearest dragstrip
It should really fly.

 

[iskwezm]

I have a Be Cool radiator and 16" pusher/puller electric fans.On my fuel guage i opened the regulator to see what it would do opened up,it was pegged at 15 psi.i know that doent mean much under a load,but why did the factory shelby's have a basic fuel system?

 

[BlueMonster65]

is it a becool fan? are you saying you have more than one 16" fan. if so their air paths must not cross, otherwise they will be fighting eachother. check to make sure the fan is working if it is and is a becool, do what i did and throw it in the garbage or give it to a homeless shelter. ditch the becool fan and get a permacool or flexalite rated at close to 3000cfm and you should be ok. when boosted the shelby's used a mechanical pump which when boost referenced behaves differently than an electric pump. but as i mentioned, sure your line pressure may be at 15 psi but how much volume is there. that style of pump flows a lot less volume at high pressure not enough for a boosted car.

 

[iskwezm]

is it a becool fan? are you saying you have more than one 16" fan. if so their air paths must not cross, otherwise they will be fighting eachother. check to make sure the fan is working if it is and is a becool, do what i did and throw it in the garbage or give it to a homeless shelter. ditch the becool fan and get a permacool or flexalite rated at close to 3000cfm and you should be ok. when boosted the shelby's used a mechanical pump which when boost referenced behaves differently than an electric pump. but as i mentioned, sure your line pressure may be at 15 psi but how much volume is there. that style of pump flows a lot less volume at high pressure not enough for a boosted car.

The radiator is a Be Cool,the fans are Scotts 2200 CFM each,one pusher,one puller.

 

[BlueMonster65]

i suggest removing the pusher fan and see if that helps. generally fans should not be used in tandem like you have it. the pusher will be a restriction to the puller since it is the more effiecient way to cool. your effective cfm is probably less than 2200cfm, not the 4400cfm you might think it is. that is of course assuming your radiator is not 32" wide and you have them mounted staggard so that the air streams do not cross.