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Is my fuel pump dying?

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JimBowy

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Twice in the last 2 weeks my car has started fine, I get to the my destination and when I try to start the car when I'm ready to leave (could be 2 hrs, could be 5 hrs later) it won't start. I don't hear the 155lph fuel pump prime at all and I don't have any fuel pressure.

Both times now, after coming back to the car a few hours later after changing nothing the fuel pump will eventually prime and everything works like normal. Is this typical of a dying pump? They work on and off??? At least it doesn't die once it gets going... lol....
 

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usually they just die, but you never know.....i would replace the pump, just because it does sound like a fuel pump issue.........hotwheels
 

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Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off. To trick the fuel pump into running, find the ECC test connector and jump the connector in the lower RH corner to ground. See http://www.mustangworks.com/articles/electronics/eec-iv_codes.html for a description of the test connector. If the relay & inertia switch are OK, you will have power to the pump. Check fuel pressure – remove the cap from the schrader valve behind the alternator and depress the core. Fuel should squirt out, catch it in a rag. A tire pressure gauge can also be used if you have one - look for 37-40 PSI. Beware of fire hazard when you do this.

No fuel pressure, possible failed items in order of their probability:
A.) Tripped inertia switch – press reset button on the inertia switch. The hatch cars hide it under the plastic trim covering the driver's side taillight. Use the voltmeter or test light to make sure you have power to both sides of the switch
B.) Fuel pump power relay – located under the driver’s seat in most stangs built before 92. On 92 and later model cars it is located below the Mass Air Flow meter.
C.) Clogged fuel filter
D.) Failed fuel pump
E.) Blown fuse link in wiring harness. Use a voltmeter to measure the voltage drop across them. There should be less than .75 volt drop across a fuse link.
F.) Fuel pressure regulator failed. Remove vacuum line from regulator and inspect for fuel escaping while pump is running.

The electrical circuit for the fuel pump has two paths, a control path and a power path.

The control path consists of the inertia switch, the computer, and the fuel pump relay coil. It turns the fuel pump relay on or off under computer control. The switched power (red wire) from the ECC relay goes to the inertia switch (red/black wire) then from the inertia switch to the relay coil and then from the relay coil to the computer (tan/ Lt green wire). The computer provides the ground path to complete the circuit. This ground causes the relay coil to energize and close the contacts for the power path. Keep in mind that you can have voltage to all the right places, but the computer must provide a ground. If there is no ground, the relay will not close the power contacts.

The power path picks up from a fuse link near the starter relay. Fuse links are like fuses, except they are pieces of wire and are made right into the wiring harness. The feed wire from the fuse link (orange/ light blue wire) goes to the fuel pump relay contacts. When the contacts close because the relay energizes, the power flows through the contacts to the fuel pump (light pink/black wire). The fuel pump has a black wire that supplies the ground to complete the circuit.

Remember that the computer does not source power for any actuator or relay, but provides the ground necessary to complete the circuit. That means one side of the circuit will always be hot, and the other side will go to ground or below 1 volt as the computer switches on that circuit.

See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host)

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91eecPinout.gif

Now that you have the theory of how it works, it’s time to go digging.

Look for 12 volts at the Orange/Lt. Blue wire (power source for fuel pump relay). No voltage or low voltage, bad fuse link, bad wiring or connections. There is a mystery connector (one I haven’t found) under the dash somewhere, between the fuel pump relay and the fuse link.

Turn on the key and jumper the fuel pump test connector to ground as previously described. Look for 12 volts at the Light Pink/Black wire (relay controlled power for the fuel pump). No voltage there means that the relay has failed or there is a broken wire in the relay control circuit.
Check the Red/black wire, it should have 12 volts. No 12 volts there, either the inertia switch is open or has no power to it. Check both sides of the inertia switch: there should be power on the Red wire and Red/Black wire. Power on the Red wire and not on the Red/Black wire means the inertia switch is open.

The Tan/Lt Green wire provides a ground path for the relay power. With the test connector jumpered to ground, there should be less than .75 volts. Use a test lamp with one side connected to battery power and the other side to the Tan/Lt Green wire. The test light should glow brightly. No glow and you have a broken wire or bad connection between the test connector and the relay. To test the wiring from the computer, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer connector. It has a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. With the test lamp connected to power, jumper pin 22 to ground and the test lamp should glow. No glow and the wiring between the computer and the fuel pump relay is bad.

If and only if you have followed the test procedure to this point and still haven’t found the problem, the computer is suspect.
 

JimBowy

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jrichker said:
Clue – listen for the fuel pump to prime when you first turn the ignition switch on. It should run for 5-20 seconds and shut off.
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It wasn't priming when I has having this problem. I came back about 8 hrs later ready to tow the car and then it primed and fired on the first try.... Weird??? This is the 2nd time it has done this. Go figure?
 

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how is the relay under the seat?
 
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I feel your pain,this happened to me recently.My 93 vert would run fine,then every once and a while it wouldn't start.I followed jrichker advise,good advise at that,and I kept running into roadblocks.I replaced the inertia switch,and the relay switch and I still had a reading like it was a short.Well I threw in the towel and replaced the fuel pump.When I pulled the fuel pump I indeed did have a short-it was on the live wire going into the fuel pump.I replaced the harness,and the fuel pump-problem solved.Good luck,and if you live in a cold climate,I would find out what the problem is before the weather gets nasty.
Jim
 

JimBowy

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bmorrisj said:
how is the relay under the seat?
Click to expand...

I opened that up not too long ago and everything looked good... all of the wires were in there solid and no corrosion???

i'll check that too desert... more of a pain because I have to drop the tank

It's a hard problem to replice though, it doesn't happen often and it seems to correct itself temporarily with time... LOL.
 
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Like I said my problem was similar to yours.The car ran fine but every once and a while it just wouldn't start(no fuel).everything else was fine and then it would run fine for a couple of days and then It just wouldn't start.I changed the inertia switch and the fuel relay switch,but the problem continued until one day it wouldn't start anymore-with my luck it happened about 20 miles from my house.after following the advise that folks gave me here I concluded that changing the fuel pump would probably solve the problem that I had.Funny thing was that when I tested it kept coming back as a short and the computer finally threw off a code(maybe #93,I can't remember exactly) so I went over to the Ford dealership and got a new fuel pump.When I pulled the pump out of the tank there was a burnt wire going into the fuel pump itself,it also roasted the wire connection bracket.I replaced the wire bracket and the fuel pump and haven't had a fuel issue since.I tried to put in as many details as possible for you,Good luck
Jim
 
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