It just keeps on coming...

The Green GT · Nov 3, 2008

Now I have ANOTHER PROBLEM.

A while back Ihad 3 PS pumps lock up. Turns out it was air in the system. Atleast thats what the guy that fixed it told me, and hes a pretty reliable guy.

Well it just locked up again. I havent even touched anything on the steering system since I got it back.

So what the hell would cause my PS system to keep getting air in it?

Heres the original thread.
http://forums.stangnet.com/756525-am-i-gonna-have-change-my-whole-steering-rack.html

Bosko5.0 · Nov 3, 2008

Have you tried using trans fluid instead of power steering fluid?
Have you replaced the lines?
Have you replaced the rack?

The Green GT · Nov 3, 2008

All Ive replaced was the pump.

How do I bleed the entire system so I can make sure that its only Tranny fluid in it if I swap over?

sage2k · Nov 3, 2008

Get a manual rack lol

The Green GT · Nov 3, 2008

**** that. I drove it a few blocks with no belt. Thats horrible.

fastgtfairlane · Nov 3, 2008

that kind of thing can be a pita. you could very well be using the wrong fluid. as far as flushing the fluid i would just take the lines loose at the rack and get the fluid out that way.

another question, how long has the pump taken to lock up on average after being replaced?

not sure if you have done it as far as getting the air bubbles out but i have always put the fluid in and let it sit for a few min with the cap off then crank the car up, recheck the fluid, then with the wheels off the ground, slowly turn the wheels left and right all the way about 10 times each way, then let the car sit with the cap off for about 5-10 min to get all of the air out. this may have to be repeated a few times to get the air out but it works to do it that way.

The Green GT · Nov 4, 2008

First time it locked up it was probably the OEM pump. Second one went out after like a month, this one was locked up on installation.

HISSIN50 · Nov 4, 2008

To flush it, I disable the ignition (remove the electrical connector from the coil). Then undo the return line at the cooler. You'll have to plug the line going towards the pump or else when you put fluid into it, it will just pour out of the pump rather than flushing through the system.

Then add fluid and crank the engine till the reservoir is down to min. Repeat till you have clear new Type F coming out the dump line (which you're dumping into a bucket).

I do the bleeding the same way as FGTFL, with the lock to lock turns, while the front end is in the air.

FWIW, if your other pumps were cavitating, you should have known (noise and jerky steering).

BlackVert · Nov 4, 2008

HISSIN50 said:
... FGTFL ...

what is this?

revhead347 · Nov 4, 2008

The Green GT said:
**** that. I drove it a few blocks with no belt.
Thats horrible.

Manual racks have a different steering ratio. It's not the same as driving without the belt.

Kurt

fastgtfairlane · Nov 4, 2008

BlackVert said:
what is this?

that would be me lol.

did the power steering pump make a whining noise before it went out. also what type of fluid are you using

The Green GT · Nov 4, 2008

HISSIN50 said:
To flush it, I disable the ignition (remove the electrical connector from the coil). Then undo the return line at the cooler. You'll have to plug the line going towards the pump or else when you put fluid into it, it will just pour out of the pump rather than flushing through the system.

Then add fluid and crank the engine till the reservoir is down to min. Repeat till you have clear new Type F coming out the dump line (which you're dumping into a bucket).

I do the bleeding the same way as FGTFL, with the lock to lock turns, while the front end is in the air.

FWIW, if your other pumps were cavitating, you should have known (noise and jerky steering).

There was/is a noise. But Im posotive its from the smog pump.

fastgtfairlane said:
that would be me lol.

did the power steering pump make a whining noise before it went out. also what type of fluid are you using

Im using regular PS fluid.

The Green GT · Nov 4, 2008

Ok, I went talk to the guy that fixed it teh first time. He told me to jack up the front, crank it, lock it one way, kill it, let it sit for 15-20 minutes, then do the same the other way. I noticed a puddle of PS fluid when I was jacking it up, and its overflowing from teh reservoir. When I locked it one way, I looked at the fluid and the top is really foamy and pink instead of red.

The Green GT · Nov 4, 2008

Ok I locked it out both ways, and its not locked up anymore. I need to drive it to work today. Do you guys think I should flush the system and fill it with atf?

HISSIN50 · Nov 4, 2008

fastgtfairlane said:
that would be me lol.

The weird, crappy shorthand I use late at night make me

Eric, regarding your last:
Type F is a very 'bitey' fluid (it has a high coefficient of friction). This is what I would use personally.

If you have not been turning the wheels with the car off (doing this will cause the reservoir to overflow), and the res was not overfilled, there would seem to be an imbalance in fluid flow. Foamy fluid suggests cavitation.

The Green GT · Nov 4, 2008

I did turn them a few times with the car off.

And what do you mean by cavitation?

Zero_chance · Nov 4, 2008

THe proper way to do it is to use a vacuum pump with the adapter that fits to the reservoir opening, pump it to ten inches or fifteen inches of vacuum and then go lock to lock at least ten times. Ive installed new racks that recommended thirty times back and forth while under vacuum. Also, dont hold it at full lock too long, good way to put excessive strain on the pump. Usually after fifteen times lock to lock under vacuum, the air will be gone from the system. The fluid will look pink and bubbly as the air is drawn out. Granted, with only a pump having been replaced there SHOULDNT be that much air in the system but it all depends on how the overall replacement procedure was done. IE, was the pump filled with fluid before starting for the first time?? And for whats its worth, Fords are filled with ATF from the factory. Everythings been swapped to Mercon V now but considering the age of our cars, the old formulations would be fine.

HISSIN50 · Nov 4, 2008

Zero Chance, do they seriously use MV instead of Type F if an older Ford comes in for service?

I know they superceded everything but I'd be pissed if an old C-series trans (for instance) on some old Stang got MV while at the dealership. Ditto for the PS system on our stangs.

94v6GT · Nov 4, 2008

ok now IM confused

so are you supposed to 1)jack up front end/remove filler cap, 2)start engine 3)turn lock to lock or are you supposed to turn lock to lock with engine off

HISSIN50 · Nov 4, 2008

94v6GT said:
so are you supposed to 1)jack up front end/remove filler cap, 2)start engine 3)turn lock to lock or are you supposed to turn lock to lock with engine off

If you turn the wheel at all while the pump is not spinning (like when the car is off), you'll dump fluid out of the reservoir. The rack displaces fluid but the pump is not spinning, so it's not replenishing the fluid back into the rack. The pump res overflows and dumps excess fluid out the vent.

Otherwise, you were right. I just let it touch the locks on the last couple of rotations, but otherwise dont let it even hit the locks.

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