Kb 2.2l or turbo-kit?

bluevenom867 · May 12, 2006

turbofreek said:
that valve is great. if you want lower boost can you raise it in infancy? nope enuff said im done here

Think about it for a sec....blow off valve and you already have the highest boost pullies.Just turn it off and you get full boost.

ms93gt · May 12, 2006

bluevenom this discussion about the infamous blowoff theory or wastegate has been beaten to death. The outcome was it can't happen. Do a search on the corral and you'll find the thread....I'm too lazy to dig it up. Plus a turbo is fully spooled by 2,800-3,000rpms therefore thats only 1,000 more rpms than the kb, big deal. When the turbo spools alls the kb guy will hear is whoosh than roaar. People keep thinking a turbo is comparable to a centri, big no no. With a properly sized turbo it will spool almost instantly and pull all the way to redline. Plus since a turbo is ran off of load, not rpms, the next shift you will be at PEAK HP and so on.

bluevenom867 · May 12, 2006

ms93gt said:
bluevenom this discussion about the infamous blowoff theory or wastegate has been beaten to death. The outcome was it can't happen. Do a search on the corral and you'll find the thread....I'm too lazy to dig it up. Plus a turbo is fully spooled by 2,800-3,000rpms therefore thats only 1,000 more rpms than the kb, big deal. When the turbo spools alls the kb guy will hear is whoosh than roaar. People keep thinking a turbo is comparable to a centri, big no no. With a properly sized turbo it will spool almost instantly and pull all the way to redline. Plus since a turbo is ran off of load, not rpms, the next shift you will be at PEAK HP and so on.

What you mean it cant happen,of course it can,maybe it wouldnt look good,but I know its possable...

1K rpms is a big deal on the street,thats a few lenghts they will get the jump on you in 3rd or whatever gear you might start off in from a roll,were the supposed turbo advantage is.

Dont kid me by saying the turbo will win from a stop...more torque off the line,means you get pulled sooner,sure you can gain some ground back,but only if your truly making more power (and not 20hp,you need a signifcant 50hp or so).

And to make you contradict turbofreek,then if you shift into PEAK HP,it can only go down.....

Also,the turbo is affected largely by the base combo,dont think just putting a turbo on a stock long block with have the same effect as a h/c/i motor,even if they made the same power.From what I see if you got a s**ty running motor n/a you turbo motor will be equaly as s**ty only on a larger scale.

turbofreek · May 12, 2006

bluevenom867 said:
Think about it for a sec....blow off valve and you already have the highest boost pullies.Just turn it off and you get full boost.

i have to say
dee dee dee (best carlos mencia voice)
full boost is what your pullys give you not what you want(.) i.e. if your pullied for 12lbs thats all your going to get. on a turbo if your wastegate is ste at 12lbs a boost controller will raise it past the 12lbs to what ever you desire or motor can handle. you can NOT do that on a blower motor(.) and in any gear other than 1st there is ablsolutely no lag but instant full boost. first gear is just as quick as a kb. i know this cuz i own a lightning and its about the same rpm when boost is hit for both the turbo and the blower. also i can tell you've never owned a turbo/sc car. if you have you didn't install it

Daggar · May 12, 2006

And a turbo is not "fully spooled" at 2800-3000 rpm. It's spooled enough however as to exceed the capability of it's motor combo to aspirate it.

Turbo timers are not the end all in performance either. They don't give a turbo more power. LOL All they do is meter the (up or down) the time and amount of exaust air that goes through the hot section. This isn't a deficiency in blowers. They're setup to run what they run through a pulley. You guys act like all you gotta do is twist a knob and you'll have turbo power forever. You can only crank it up until the turbo cooks which incidentally, doesn't take very long of a run to make happen. Some are better than others.

Regardless of what power adder you run, you're still limited by the compressor discharge tempuratures, and the ability of the compressor to provide that boost and for what duration. Don't think for a second that you can just "twist a knob" and make power till the cows come home. You'll be needing those cows to tow your blown up heap back to your driveway.

Daggar · May 12, 2006

turbofreek said:
i have to say
dee dee dee (best carlos mencia voice)
full boost is what your pullys give you not what you want(.) i.e. if your pullied for 12lbs thats all your going to get. on a turbo if your wastegate is ste at 12lbs a boost controller will raise it past the 12lbs to what ever you desire or motor can handle. you can NOT do that on a blower motor(.) and in any gear other than 1st there is ablsolutely no lag but instant full boost. first gear is just as quick as a kb. i know this cuz i own a lightning and its about the same rpm when boost is hit for both the turbo and the blower. also i can tell you've never owned a turbo/sc car. if you have you didn't install it

This is a rediculous post. You just going to crank up the boost with no regard to the tune or tempuratures? Have you ever even run a power adder? lol Too much "Need for Speed" can melt yer mellon. hehe

86bluecobra · May 12, 2006

lol at Daggar. I guess we should all just run nitrous like me. mind you nitrous guys can only live there life a 1/4 mile at a time. lol where have i heard that before.

bluevenom867 · May 12, 2006

turbofreek said:
i have to say
dee dee dee (best carlos mencia voice)
full boost is what your pullys give you not what you want(.) i.e. if your pullied for 12lbs thats all your going to get. on a turbo if your wastegate is ste at 12lbs a boost controller will raise it past the 12lbs to what ever you desire or motor can handle. you can NOT do that on a blower motor(.) and in any gear other than 1st there is ablsolutely no lag but instant full boost. first gear is just as quick as a kb. i know this cuz i own a lightning and its about the same rpm when boost is hit for both the turbo and the blower. also i can tell you've never owned a turbo/sc car. if you have you didn't install it

Your forgeting boost is relative to rpm with blowers,the more you turn the more boost you make.So even if 12lbs were my "limit" I just turn 1K more rpms and Im making 15 lbs of boost.

Does you lightning have a KB?

Also,your comparing a blower on a TRUCk to turbocharged car.

Oh,and the blower on the Lightnig (Eaton M112) is a little small IMO,and it could use a KB 2.2L would come up much faster.

I can tell you dont have anything serious,or you would understand more what Im talknig about.

Btw,I got a Lightning to,it is instant boost in any gear too.

86bluecobra · May 12, 2006

bluevenom867 said:
Btw,I got a Lightning to,it is instant boost in any gear too.

I wish i had a lightning 2. but i need a extented cab truck for the family maybe if i had the cash i would go get one of those new saleen f-150's.

Daggar · May 12, 2006

I don't have a Lightning. Can I still play???

turbofreek · May 12, 2006

Daggar said:
This is a rediculous post. You just going to crank up the boost with no regard to the tune or tempuratures? Have you ever even run a power adder? lol Too much "Need for Speed" can melt yer mellon. hehe

let me go check my drive way and see if my turbo mustang is still there? your right about the one thing, ok maybe not. yes a turbo has its limits just like a blower. no a turbo doesnt take 3k+ to spool if so then my guage is off and i doubt that it is. and do you even know what a turbo timer is? by the words you wrote i think not. let me educate you a little. it allows your car to run for a brief time period after you shut it off does that sound like a performance piece? (should i enter carlos again here). and my tune is not what you think it is. its not set for a specific psi but.. forget it you dont even know what a turbo timer is.

bluevenom867 · May 12, 2006

86bluecobra said:
I wish i had a lightning 2. but i need a extented cab truck for the family maybe if i had the cash i would go get one of those new saleen f-150's.

You can find the "Harley Davidson" trucks they are like a 4 door Lightning.Same motor,only little differant boost level out of the factory,but a low pull can change that

bluevenom867 · May 12, 2006

turbofreek said:
let me go check my drive way and see if my turbo mustang is still there? your right about the one thing, ok maybe not. yes a turbo has its limits just like a blower. no a turbo doesnt take 3k+ to spool if so then my guage is off and i doubt that it is. and do you even know what a turbo timer is? by the words you wrote i think not. let me educate you a little. it allows your car to run for a brief time period after you shut it off does that sound like a performance piece? (should i enter carlos again here). and my tune is not what you think it is. its not set for a specific psi but.. forget it you dont even know what a turbo timer is.

Dagger was refering to a turbo boost controler,and it does change boost by a span of time,so maybe you just have too narrow of a definition

86bluecobra · May 12, 2006

bluevenom867 said:
You can find the "Harley Davidson" trucks they are like a 4 door Lightning.Same motor,only little differant boost level out of the factory,but a low pull can change that

yes i have seen them but i don't want to drive anything that has the name Harley Davidson.

turbofreek · May 12, 2006

bluevenom867 said:
Your forgeting boost is relative to rpm with blowers,the more you turn the more boost you make.So even if 12lbs were my "limit" I just turn 1K more rpms and Im making 15 lbs of boost.

Does you lightning have a KB?

Also,your comparing a blower on a TRUCk to turbocharged car.

Oh,and the blower on the Lightnig (Eaton M112) is a little small IMO,and it could use a KB 2.2L would come up much faster.

I can tell you dont have anything serious,or you would understand more what Im talknig about.

Btw,I got a Lightning to,it is instant boost in any gear too.

it does have a kb on it. of course i have nothing serious

86bluecobra · May 12, 2006

now i think i want a turbo for my mustang. wonder what the wife would say?

bluevenom867 · May 12, 2006

Daggar said:
I don't have a Lightning. Can I still play???

I dont know....the push rods might have to come out

Btw Daggar I added you to my MSN

86bluecobra · May 12, 2006

turbofreek said:
it does have a kb on it. of course i have nothing serious

i think you have 2 much money for toys. give me some so i can get more mods and keep the kids in diapers.

Daggar · May 12, 2006

turbofreek said:
let me go check my drive way and see if my turbo mustang is still there? your right about the one thing, ok maybe not. yes a turbo has its limits just like a blower. no a turbo doesnt take 3k+ to spool if so then my guage is off and i doubt that it is. and do you even know what a turbo timer is? by the words you wrote i think not. let me educate you a little. it allows your car to run for a brief time period after you shut it off does that sound like a performance piece? (should i enter carlos again here). and my tune is not what you think it is. its not set for a specific psi but.. forget it you dont even know what a turbo timer is.

It's not a matter of the gauge being off. It's a matter of how quickly the turbo spools in relation to the motor. If you're seeing max boost on your gauge at 3000 rpm, that doesn't mean that the turbo is spooled out. It means that it spooled up and provided boost at a greater rate than the motor was able to ingest.

In reference to your post above: It's also obvious that if you do have a turbo car (not saying that you don't) that you did not tune it.

Edit: Turbo Timer -- Not the nomenclature I intended to use. Boost Controller -- the term I DID intend to use.

turbofreek · May 12, 2006

bluevenom867 said:
Dagger was refering to a turbo boost controler,and it does change boost by a span of time,so maybe you just have too narrow of a definition

your thinking way to advanced in the boost controller world then. your talking about adjustable/rpm/limiting controlers. im talking about a simple little blead valve type. spool doesn't slow because of it it accually speeds up

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