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Brad Hanks

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Hey, so I have a 90 with a 5 speed can’t start it with the key. ran and Drove just fine one day. Next day I go out to it won’t start with the key but will start with a screwdriver. Drove maybe two days this way. Then all it would do was blow the in-line fuse but would reset itself if I left it alone for a bit. Tried putting a fuse in the plug on the clutch switch and still would blow the inline fuse. Any advice on what to check would be great.
 

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Ignition switches are known to go bad and cause this.
 

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HemiRick said:
Ignition switches are known to go bad and cause this.
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Anyway I could test it? I think I saw a post where if the red and green wire had 12v at the switch then it’s good. Which is what I had.
 

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No Crank Checklist

No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs Revised 24-Oct-2013 to update voltage drop figures. No crank, slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are...
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HemiRick said:
Ignition switches are known to go bad and cause this.
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Replaced it and now when you turn the key to start it clunks and blows the fuse.
 

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General karthief said:

No Crank Checklist

No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs Revised 24-Oct-2013 to update voltage drop figures. No crank, slow crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are...
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Thanks to jrichker
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I tried step 4 here and it just blows the fusible link and nothing works.
 

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What color is the fuse wire?
 

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General karthief said:
What color is the fuse wire?
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Are you taking talking about the red and blue from the clutch or the color of the fusible link? I don’t know the color of the link. I just know it keeps resetting itself.
 

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Brad Hanks said:
I tried step 4 here and it just blows the fusible link and nothing works.
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Here you are saying 'blows the fusible link'
Brad Hanks said:
Are you taking talking about the red and blue from the clutch or the color of the fusible link? I don’t know the color of the link. I just know it keeps resetting itself.
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Here you talk about it re setting itself.
The issue is a fusible link needs to be replaced, it's a wire fuse,
A relay is a little box that plugs into a wire harness
See the confusion?
 

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General karthief said:
Here you are saying 'blows the fusible link'

Here you talk about it re setting itself.
The issue is a fusible link needs to be replaced, it's a wire fuse,
A relay is a little box that plugs into a wire harness
See the confusion?
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You’re right I did. Sorry. All I know Is I try it and everything goes dead. I leave it alone for a bit and everything comes back.
 

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General karthief said:
Here you are saying 'blows the fusible link'

Here you talk about it re setting itself.
The issue is a fusible link needs to be replaced, it's a wire fuse,
A relay is a little box that plugs into a wire harness
See the confusion?
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Thanks for your help btw.
 
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Ok, start with a voltage drop test starting at the battery, you have a digital volt meter?
 
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Ok, start with a voltage drop test starting at the battery, you have a digital volt meter?
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I do, yes.
 

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Start at the battery, better yet let me find a link to how to do a voltage drop test.
i'll be right back
 

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Jump down to the first video, it's a brand x truck but you should figure it out.

Howto perform charging system voltage drop test

To anyone else reading any of my posts I usually include the line: Today's cars simply will not run right without a strong battery and charging system! Cut corners here at your own risk I'm a big believer in starting with the basics. As such I...
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General karthief said:
Jump down to the first video, it's a brand x truck but you should figure it out.

Howto perform charging system voltage drop test

To anyone else reading any of my posts I usually include the line: Today's cars simply will not run right without a strong battery and charging system! Cut corners here at your own risk I'm a big believer in starting with the basics. As such I...
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Thanks I’ll do it Sunday.
 

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Thanks I’ll do it Sunday.
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From the No Crank Checklist.....

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .25 volts across a connection indicates a problem. The voltage drop tests need to be done while cranking the engine. It's the current flowing through a connection or wire that causes the voltage drop.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .



Voltage drops should not exceed the following:
200 mV Wire or cable
300 mV Switch or solenoid
100 mV Ground
0.0V Connections
A voltage drop lower that spec is always acceptable.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang



Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
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The fuse links for all model years 86-93 live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.



Diagrams courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
Ignition switch wiring


Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 91-93 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/91-93_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 94-95 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/94-95_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif
 
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jrichker said:
From the No Crank Checklist.....

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .25 volts across a connection indicates a problem. The voltage drop tests need to be done while cranking the engine. It's the current flowing through a connection or wire that causes the voltage drop.

See http://assets.fluke.com/appnotes/automotive/beatbook.pdf for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .



Voltage drops should not exceed the following:
200 mV Wire or cable
300 mV Switch or solenoid
100 mV Ground
0.0V Connections
A voltage drop lower that spec is always acceptable.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang



Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
[


The fuse links for all model years 86-93 live in the wiring harness near the starter solenoid.



Diagrams courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds
Ignition switch wiring


Fuel, alternator, A/C and ignition wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 88-91 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 91-93 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/91-93_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Complete computer, actuator & sensor wiring diagram for 94-95 Mass Air Mustangs
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/94-95_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif
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So I tried to do a voltage drop from solenoid to starter. I can’t get any reading because I hit the key to start and everything is dead. No voltage to anything. It’s like I took the negative battery cable off.
 

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So I tried to do a voltage drop from solenoid to starter. I can’t get any reading because I hit the key to start and everything is dead. No voltage to anything. It’s like I took the negative battery cable off.
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Have you cleaned both battery posts and cable clamps? They are major problem areas for a no crank condition

Voltage drop - Look at the picture - you start by measuring between the battery post and the cable clamp.
 
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Have you cleaned both battery posts and cable clamps? They are major problem areas for a no crank condition

Voltage drop - Look at the picture - you start by measuring between the battery post and the cable clamp.
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Oh nvm I got the wrong idea somehow thanks.
I haven’t cleaned them but both clamps and battery were replaced in September.
 
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