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lancec2c30

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I am trying to fire my car for the first time today, but I don't have any spark.

I tried dumping the codes, but when I jumper the eec plug, the test light just stays lit up, no flashes.

What does that mean? I thought if something was faulty the test light wouldn't come on at all?

The car was a 91 4cyl. with the harness and computer out of a 91 I also believe, the body to engine harnesses did match up.

 

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Pull the spout out and then see if you get spark. If no spark then.....

Then it could be a few things. Hall Effect sensor, TFI, coil. Start with seeing if you get a Signal from the top wire of the TFI while cranking. 4-5v is what you would normally see.
 

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I got my spark problem figured out. But I still can't get the computer to dump codes.

When I have everything jumped and the test light powered. It comes on half lit. Then when I turn the key on, the light goes to what I would assume 100%. Is it normal to do that? Or is something half grounded out somewhere?
 

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Could be a problem with the code return circuit.

Are you trying to run the codes with the engine off, or running?
 

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Engine off, key one.
 

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Hook the test light up as you normally would to run the codes. But this time, on the small grey plug, run it straight to a good ground, then try and run the codes. See what happens.
 

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The following is for 5.0 Mustangs. It probably won't help much if you are running a 4 cylinder as indicated in your first post.


Computer will not go into diagnostic mode on 91-93 model 5.0 Mustangs

How it is supposed to work:
The grey/red wire (pin 46) is signal ground for the computer. It provides a dedicated
ground for the EGR, Baro, ACT, ECT, & TPS sensors as well as the ground to put the
computer into self test mode. If this ground is bad, none of the sensors mentioned will work
properly. That will severely affect the car's performance. You will have hard starting, low power
and drivability problems.
Since it is a dedicated ground, it passes through the computer on its
way to the computer main power ground that terminates at the battery pigtail ground. It should
read less than 1.5 ohms when measured from anyplace on the engine harness with the battery
pigtail ground as the other reference point for the ohmmeter probe.

What sometimes happens is that the test connector grey/red wire gets jumpered to power
which either burns up the wiring or burns the trace off the pc board inside the computer.
That trace connects pins 46 to pins 40 & 60. Only an experienced electronics technician can open
the computer up & repair the trace if it burns up and creates an open circuit.

The STI (Self Test Input ) is jumpered to ground to put the computer into test mode. Jumpering
it to power can produce unknown results, including damage to the computer. The ohm test
simply verifies that there are no breaks in the wiring between the test connector and the computer input.

How to test the wiring :
With the power off, measure the resistance between the computer test ground
(grey/red wire) on the self test connector and battery ground. You should see less than
1.5 ohms.



If that check fails, remove the passenger side kick panel and disconnect the computer
connector. There is a 10 MM bolt that holds it in place. Measure the resistance between
the grey/red wire and pin 46 on the computer wiring connector : it should be less than
1.5 ohms. More that 1.5 ohms is a wiring problem. If it reads 1.5 ohms or less, then the
computer is suspect. On the computer, measure the resistance between pin 46 and pins
40 & 60: it should be less than 1.5 ohms. More that that and the computer’s internal
ground has failed, and the computer needs to be replaced.

If the first ground check was good, there are other wires to check. Measure the
resistance between the STI computer self test connector (red/white wire) and pin 48 on
the computer main connector: it should be less than 1.5 ohms. More that 1.5 ohms is a
wiring problem

The following is a view from the computer side of the computer connector.


Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds

Check out the diagram and notice all the places the grey/red wire goes. Almost every
sensor on the engine except the MAF is connected to it.


See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds
(website host) for help on 88-95 wiring Mustang FAQ - Engine Information



If you feel like opening up the computer to attempt to repair the fried wire, see Computer issue? - Mustang Forums at StangNet and joel5.0's comments for more help on fixing the computer innards.
 

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Oh, sorry if there was confusion. The car was a 4cyl auto. It is now a 5.0 5 speed swap. Has an auto computer and engine harness.

I went through part of that writeup yesterday. But haven't checked any connections at the computer.

Ohm'ing the eec plug with my fluke showed .463 ohm's I believe.

I still haven't gone out and tried going straight to ground, might do that tonight.

Thanks.
 

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I grounded the plastic grew wire to the engine block and got the the computer to go into diagnostics mode. Now does that mean the plug has a bad ground circuit? Or the ECU?

I pulled codes 22, 35, 51, 53, 54, 67, 81, and 82.

I'm not sure what the deal is on codes 22 and 81. The MAP sensor really doesn't have much use anymore on a MAF car? I have the vacuum line coming from it plugged off.

Would 51 and 54 be set off because the engine was cold when I did the test? They are for air charge and ECT sensor circuits being open.

53 is because I haven't adjusted the TPS yet I'm sure. Just waiting on a tach so I can set my idle first.

I have no idea on code 82. "Super charger bypass circuit failed". Didn't know I had a supercharger to bypass in the first place?

Any input on these codes would be greatly appreciated.
 

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All those codes indicate a problem with the SIGRTN circuit. You need to unplug the ECM, open it up and inspect the back of the board for a burnt trace. let me know what you find out.
 

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I pulled the ECU, took it apart and checked the back side. I couldn't find any burnt circuits on the board.

I'll get a few pictures up in a second here.
 

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Photobucket is being a real PITA. So I only was able to get this picture posted.

 

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I was looking more at the back of the board, and I might have found something. Is the SIGRTN circuit just to the right of the main ecu plug. Horizontal, if it were to travel across the plug. It would go between the E an 9 printed on it.
 

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I'm on my phone, but if the main plug was to your right, back of board facing up, then the burnt trace would be to the left of the main plug. You could trace it back to PIN 46.
 

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I found another thread in a search. It is the SIGRTN circuit that is fried. Now I have to figure out if it was already that way when it came off of the car I bought it from. Or if there is a problem with the wiring on my car.

I'm not sure where to test this SIGRTN circuit in the wiring. All I have found so far is that it affects all sensors related to the injector harness, and provides ground for the EEC.
 

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Find PIN 46 at the ECM connector. Hook a volt meter to it and a good ground. And do cranking test as you monitor the voltage. ECM out of the car of course.

The voltage should be very very minimal.

Let me know what you find.


Also find a small wire, and just solder it in place of the burnt circuit. Just leave the ECM out till you find out why it got blasted with juice.
 

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Alright. I found a thread from a while back about someone having the same problem, It ended up being their o2 harness. I thought this one was compatible without modding the pins on the ecu. But I'll do the cranking test tomorrow.

Thanks for all the help so far guys.
 

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See what color wires on the O2 harness are looped together.

For a manual setup it should be the blue/yellow and purple/ yellow.

If the white/pink is looped to the blue/yellow, then that's why the ECM fried.
 

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I went to pin 46 on the ECM connector and to the ground screw behind the kick panel with my Fluke and got less then .09 volts with the key off, on, and while cranking.

So does that mean my problem isn't related to the wrong o2 harness or a fault in the injector harness?

I don't know if this computer was put into diagnostic mode wrong and got 12v power where it shouldn't have.

What should be my next step?
 

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Your clear on PIN 46. Solder a wire on the burnt circuit on the board then test the joints for continuity. Plug the ECM back up and then run the KOEO codes. You could be right and someone tried to run codes using the wrong terminal.
 
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