NOOB Question

Outsider · Oct 5, 2004

Hi all I'm new to this forum so if I ask question that has been beaten to death I appologize now.

My question is: what seems to be the better blower. an ATI P-1SC, NOVI 2000, or a Vortec V or S trim? I have read manufacturers clamis but I'm looking for some opionions on the matter or at least a link about this subject.

A little about my self:
I will soon be getting a 98 GT Conv (stock)
Currently drive a 97 Grand Prix GTP (not stock @ all) high 13's.

Any help would be great
Thanks,
Geoff. A

Avenger · Oct 5, 2004

Out of these, Novi 2000, hands down. You should also consider Kenne Bell for that instant off the line boost.

Pretty nice thread

Make sure to browse around that board, lots of guys with too much money and 5 blower combos under their belt

banditmwp · Oct 6, 2004

Avenger said:
Out of these, Novi 2000, hands down. You should also consider Kenne Bell for that instant off the line boost.

If you're picking out of these centrifugals, then the Novi...however, if you change the ATI/Procharger P1SC to a D1 then Novi would take a backseat.

GTP2GTO · Oct 7, 2004

Outsider said:
Hi all I'm new to this forum so if I ask question that has been beaten to death I appologize now.

My question is: what seems to be the better blower. an ATI P-1SC, NOVI 2000, or a Vortec V or S trim? I have read manufacturers clamis but I'm looking for some opionions on the matter or at least a link about this subject.

A little about my self:
I will soon be getting a 98 GT Conv (stock)
Currently drive a 97 Grand Prix GTP (not stock @ all) high 13's.

Any help would be great
Thanks,
Geoff. A

What mods you have on your GP? You selling it?

Outsider · Oct 7, 2004

Yes I'm selling my Prix very soon. Mods are as fallowed:
CAI
TB Spacer
Custom ported TB
Thrasher MPS w/3.25 blower pulley
INtense 1.9 rockers arms
LS6 springs
Ls1 retainers
Custom ported Exhaust Manifolds
Custom 3" Down pipe (catless)
Flowmaster 40 Mufflers
DHP PCM
Autolite 103 plugs
DS Wires
Boost bypass manipulated
160* thermostat

all in all this helped my get a personall best of 13.73 1/4 mile (without rockers and on 3.4" blower pulley)0* KR
Not bad on a V6 with a small roots blower

Pitch Black · Oct 7, 2004

I'd take the KB over all 3 of those, but between the 3, I'd definitely go Procharger. I hear Paxton is a real good one too.

Too many people have Vortecs and from what I've seen, they dont offer a whole lot of power and reliability is an issue

Outsider · Oct 7, 2004

Say I've read a crap load of 5.0 nad modular mustang mags and alot of them are running Vortec CSCs I woulden't mind going with a Whipple or KB but I really like the idea of a Turbo setup. Nothing sexier then a loud ass exhaust with that BOV chirping @ ya. PLus I'm kinda getting tired of the Supercharger whine!

Avenger · Oct 7, 2004

Pitch Black said:
Too many people have Vortecs and from what I've seen, they dont offer a whole lot of power and reliability is an issue

Care to present some evidence of power and reliability issues ? How could a poor blower design sell so well ?

Outsider · Oct 14, 2004

Pitch Black · Oct 14, 2004

Avenger said:
Care to present some evidence of power and reliability issues ? How could a poor blower design sell so well ?

Im not saying its a poor blower design. I do know that I've seen higher output readings from other units such as the Paxton and ATI kits as opposed to the Vortec (given the same boost and similar mods)

I take the reliability comment back, they do seem pretty reliable. Perhaps thats why many people opt to go with Vortec over other kits. They are pretty cheap too. I'm not sure about Paxton, but atleast the ATI units are self-contained all come with intercoolers

Jackie Chan · Oct 14, 2004

Pitch Black said:
I'd take the KB over all 3 of those, but between the 3, I'd definitely go Procharger. I hear Paxton is a real good one too.

Too many people have Vortecs and from what I've seen, they dont offer a whole lot of power and reliability is an issue

oh the irony

Pitch Black · Oct 14, 2004

I took the reliability statement back....

Jackie Chan · Oct 14, 2004

Pitch Black said:
I took the reliability statement back....

you should take the whole post back except your opinion because the rest is

mogs01gt · Oct 14, 2004

Pitch Black said:
I'd take the KB over all 3 of those, but between the 3, I'd definitely go Procharger. I hear Paxton is a real good one too.

Too many people have Vortecs and from what I've seen, they dont offer a whole lot of power and reliability is an issue

If you knew anything on how acceleration and power works, then you would have a clue.

You are wrong, please go do some more research before making ****ty posts. I will take a ATI Procharger over a Kenne Bell any day of the week.

Pitch Black · Oct 14, 2004

Man, **** you! Ihave done a bit of research and Im not pulling **** from my ass. If you feel the need to address me or my comments again, just keep your mouth shut, thanks.

CrazyGT · Oct 14, 2004

spikeGT_99 · Oct 14, 2004

whats wrong with what he said?? i cant speak to reliability problems but i got a friend that has way too much money, he went from a s-trim to a novi2000 and the novi made more power, then he went to a turbo setup and is making north of 700 hp, not sure about the turbo #s yet, as far as the paxtons power, isnt the novi2000 a bigger blower than the s-trim?

Jackie Chan · Oct 14, 2004

spikeGT_99 said:
whats wrong with what he said?? i cant speak to reliability problems but i got a friend that has way too much money, he went from a s-trim to a novi2000 and the novi made more power, then he went to a turbo setup and is making north of 700 hp, not sure about the turbo #s yet, as far as the paxtons power, isnt the novi2000 a bigger blower than the s-trim?

yes, but you can get all into the 500's for rwhp with an s trim on the right set up, its definately enough blower for most of the cars out there, more than enough with a car with a stock short block.

Carl · Oct 14, 2004

Like many others have said. The Novi 2000 will get you more power, BUT it is a much bigger blower. If you are keeping a stock bottom end for now, like I am, a vortech s-trim is plenty big and makes good power. I have a completely stock motor with the steeda/vortech kit, a power pipe and an O/R exhaust and I made 393 RWHP / 373 RWTQ and that was BEFORE my O/R H-pipe I am definitely sure I am making atleast 400 RWHP now. If that's not enough power for you on the street, then you should get a bigger blower, but with the bigger blower comes the need for forged internals and more internal engine work. If you are just looking for plug and play, then a vortech will be great and much less expensive than the Novi 2000. I have 20,000 supercharged miles on mine without any problems and I drive it everyday and love it.

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