Paint Problems

DAZ · May 20, 2005

Being new to restoration and especially paint shops, I took my 66 to a shop
that BS'd me pretty good. I didn't even challenge the price since the guy really talked a good game. To make a really long story short, I find that the paint is peeling, rippled rough to the touch and has a lot of black bleeding through the red. I had to turn the shop into the NYS-DMV because he refused to fix even after I offered to pay for additional materials. So here are my questions:
1. Can I put a sign on the back window that says "Painted by Joe Morello"
(name of the shop that painted it).
2. Several auto body shops will not touch the job unless I have the car stripped down to metal. Is taking it down to metal necessary?
3. This was a rust free, no exageration, rust free car with the original factory
paint on the underside. Would it be better for me to make this a winter project and chemically strip the car or should I sand it down to metal?

Oh yeah, if any body wants to get their car painted in Endwell, NY. I can show them where not to go

2nd Mustang · May 20, 2005

Why do they need to take it down to metal? Is this the old lacquer on enamel (or is that visa versa) thing?

DAZ · May 20, 2005

2nd Mustang said:
Why do they need to take it down to metal? Is this the old lacquer on enamel (or is that visa versa) thing?

The paint job is so incredibly %#$^%&^& that they will not guarantee their work. Most of these shops know this guy and just laugh and shake their heads when they hear his name..... to bad I didn't know ahead of time.
Next time someone tells me they are the best at anything... Im going to run

68rustang · May 20, 2005

What kind of paint did he use? How many times has the car been painted? If it was only painted at the factory and then this latest time I would sand off the latest hack job, seal it, and paint it again. No need to totally strip a good car.

2nd Mustang · May 20, 2005

"Stuff" happens, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger. When looking for services, I tend to look for shops that have been in the same place with the same owner for many years. Good luck.

DAZ · May 20, 2005

68rustang said:
What kind of paint did he use? How many times has the car been painted? If it was only painted at the factory and then this latest time I would sand off the latest hack job, seal it, and paint it again. No need to totally strip a good car.

He told me he wase using Dupont Base Coat Clear Coat. Apparently from what the other shops and the Ford Dealership Paint shop told me, he mixed the two and did a one coat application.
The car was painted about 20 years ago a metalic Burghandy. I was having
FORD PERFORMANCE RED applied.
No major defects in the second paint job... a few crakes and peels from sun exposure. He didn't even try to fix them... just primed and painted them.

68rustang · May 20, 2005

DAZ said:
He told me he wase using Dupont Base Coat Clear Coat...he mixed the two and did a one coat application...

You are kidding right? People actually do this stuff?

No major defects in the second paint job... a few crakes and peels from sun exposure. He didn't even try to fix them... just primed and painted them.

I would sand or chemically strip the outside of the car at least down to the factory paint or to a good substrate, seal it, and go from there.

Oh yeah, I would also leave a flaming bag of dog**** on "Joe's" front porch every day for the next century.

ForceFed70 · May 20, 2005

Man I hate to hear of guys getting hosed like this.

I would definately go with the sign. But make it better than just "painted by.."

I would make it say.. "xxxx charged me $$$$$ for this paint job and will not fix the problems.. ask me about it"

Then show up at the shop, show him the sign and say "fix it or this is going in my window... and BTW, did I mention that I attend a LOT of car shows?"

Probably won't get your paint job fixed, but let's him know he's loosing business and might save some other poor schmuck from having the same problems.

Orange97GTVert · May 23, 2005

I would strip it to bare metal. Any old paint under the new paint can cause ripples. Bare metal gives you clean lines, and a clean surface for your paint to stick to. I prefer to strip mine, but you can sand it to bare metal if you prefer or have it media blasted. Don't have it dipped, because that is the whole car and paint will get stripped in places that can't be repainted. Just deal with the exterior and the door jambs and places that accept the exterior color.

With sanding, any places oversanded, like a pit in the paint or something like that will show. People get lazy and use a DA Sander, and that will leave low spots which make ripples. When you take it to bare metal, you will get an even smooth surface to work with. Also, any old bodywork under the repaint can be redone. Old body filler can shrink and crack when painted over and show.

68rustang · May 23, 2005

sanding all the way to bare metal can cause its fair share of problems also. Rust being the main one.

meanroy · May 23, 2005

Not so bad ...

68rustang said:
sanding all the way to bare metal can cause its fair share of problems also. Rust being the main one.

Yeah, and the car was prepped. Its at least smooth.
Just take it back down to the primer. The less clear metal you have the less passivating you have to do.

Just sand as much as you have to and no more is my motto.

Roy.

DAZ · May 24, 2005

70_Nitrous_Eater said:
Man I hate to hear of guys getting hosed like this.

I would definately go with the sign. But make it better than just "painted by.."

I would make it say.. "xxxx charged me $$$$$ for this paint job and will not fix the problems.. ask me about it"

Then show up at the shop, show him the sign and say "fix it or this is going in my window... and BTW, did I mention that I attend a LOT of car shows?"

Probably won't get your paint job fixed, but let's him know he's loosing business and might save some other poor schmuck from having the same problems.

I guess the humerous side to this is that when I was trying to get him to fix the paint job(even offered to buy the materials), I would never tell people who painted it. Now when people approach me at the Home Depot. I tell them very enthusiastically who painted the car. I even give them his phone number and address! Whenever I go to buy a part, or auto supply, I make sure thatthey know who painted it. I never say anything negative... I let the paint job do that.

Platonic Solid · May 24, 2005

A crappy new paint job is worse than an old quality faded paint job. I would take your car to a couple shops, tell them your story, and get written quotes to strip his paint off and repaint correctly. Then off to small claims court. You want money. Letting that shop touch your car again would be a huge mistake. Why should you have to write this off as a learning experience? Can I ask how much you paid?
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