Question about HID's

san~man · Jun 25, 2007

1992 2.3LX said:
nope. car needs to be fast prior to the looks.

Though I have experience with them in projectors and standard halogen housings. If you buy a crap kit and don't worry about aiming them yes the glare is far worse. But if you buy a good kit that actually has cut offs and you aim them properly the glare is not bad at all.

No AM HID kit has "cutoffs" unless you add a casper shield, rebase a D2R bulb, or make your own.

An AM headlight may help the problem (since some have some type of cutoff shield in them), but a halogen projector will still throw glare. Not nearly as a bad as a halogen reflector, but still some glare.

An HID projector, on the other hand, is designed to be used with an appropriate HID bulb. Lighting engineers take into account the properties of the bulb, amount of output lumens, and all other things in designing the projector bowl. That, and the cutoff shield inside, are the reasons why they don't glare.

This has been debated so many times here, but I don't want people to have the misconception that they won't get glare, because they will.

SaleenGT2001 · Jun 26, 2007

the glare honestly isnt that bad. i have seen my own car driving toward mw at night and it doesnt bother me!

blckstng96 · Jun 26, 2007

no doubt about it,aftermarket HIDs in a stock mustang housing,the light scatters a lot but really im with epikgt,the lights give me more visibility than stock and you cant compare the looks of them,i think they look great.i am also one of those A-HOLES i guess because i have HIDs and tinted tailights among other illegal parts.

Blackie Lawless · Jun 26, 2007

I'll never go back to halogens NEVAH!!!!

If you aim your lights down you shouldn't have a problem. The lifted trucks with halogens lighting up your whole car IS a problem.

I have looked at my car from every angle, sat in my moms car parked a few feet in front of my car with my cars HIDs on and I can't see a reason for anyone to complain.

I can actually see the road in front of me now. With halogens I might as well have just held a flash light out the front window to guide my way. I'll be switching to projectors soon (yes I know), but for now, HIDs in stock housing aimed low > stock.

1992 2.3LX · Jun 26, 2007

san~man said:
No AM HID kit has "cutoffs" unless you add a casper shield, rebase a D2R bulb, or make your own.

An AM headlight may help the problem (since some have some type of cutoff shield in them), but a halogen projector will still throw glare. Not nearly as a bad as a halogen reflector, but still some glare.

An HID projector, on the other hand, is designed to be used with an appropriate HID bulb. Lighting engineers take into account the properties of the bulb, amount of output lumens, and all other things in designing the projector bowl. That, and the cutoff shield inside, are the reasons why they don't glare.

This has been debated so many times here, but I don't want people to have the misconception that they won't get glare, because they will.

I don't believe that anyone has said there is NO GLARE. I am stating that the glare can be managed when done right.

Cut off points can be created by the bulb itself. Glare is caused by the refraction of the light. Whether it be from the headlight housing or from the glass of the bulb itself (many people don't weigh this aspect). If you buy a quality kit that uses quality glass you will cut down on the refraction at the start making it easier to control the glare in a halogen housing.

GT98 · Jun 26, 2007

1992 2.3LX said:
I don't believe that anyone has said there is NO GLARE. I am stating that the glare can be managed when done right.

Cut off points can be created by the bulb itself.

How can cut off points be created by the bulb?

san~man · Jun 26, 2007

1992 2.3LX said:
Cut off points can be created by the bulb itself. Glare is caused by the refraction of the light. Whether it be from the headlight housing or from the glass of the bulb itself (many people don't weigh this aspect). If you buy a quality kit that uses quality glass you will cut down on the refraction at the start making it easier to control the glare in a halogen housing.

You are correct, but you have to realize that although "quality" glass may cut down on light refraction, that light output is still bounced/aimed/thrown forward by the halogen reflector. The simple fact that the halogen reflector isn't meant to house an HID bulb, and that causes that less than desirable cut off. What you said is true if you only consider light coming from the bulb and shining outward, and not into some type of reflector.

Now, don't get me wrong, a PNP kit is a VAST improvement over the halogen stockers....I had one and I took it out to sell.

To all who have the PNP kits, do an internet search for "casper shields." Those will help to greatly reduce the scattered light and will help to make a sharper cutoff.

1992 2.3LX · Jun 26, 2007

san~man said:
You are correct, but you have to realize that although "quality" glass may cut down on light refraction, that light output is still bounced/aimed/thrown forward by the halogen reflector. The simple fact that the halogen reflector isn't meant to house an HID bulb, and that causes that less than desirable cut off. What you said is true if you only consider light coming from the bulb and shining outward, and not into some type of reflector.

Now, don't get me wrong, a PNP kit is a VAST improvement over the halogen stockers....I had one and I took it out to sell.

To all who have the PNP kits, do an internet search for "casper shields." Those will help to greatly reduce the scattered light and will help to make a sharper cutoff.

i believe we arguing the same thing just in different fashions. We both agree that glare will not be eleviated completely unless in a specific nonhalogen projector.

My point is that the glare when done right can be reduced enough that it is by no means a distraction or a problem to oncoming drivers.

How can cut off points be created by the bulb?

The cut offs are created by lessinging refraction of light. The better quality glass the less refraction that is created in turn helping in a sharper cut off point. Granted it is still not eleviated but helps to manage it.

GT98 · Jun 27, 2007

not to change the subject...but whats a good set of really bright fog/driving lights? I was looking at a pair at advanced auto (cant remember the name) but I decided not to get them bc I never heard of the brand.

1992 2.3LX · Jun 27, 2007

GT98 said:
not to change the subject...but whats a good set of really bright fog/driving lights? I was looking at a pair at advanced auto (cant remember the name) but I decided not to get them bc I never heard of the brand.

www.luminicsbulbs.com

I run them in my Audi head and foglights.
Ultra Violet for heads and Yellow for Fogs.

whyask · Jun 27, 2007

I have there yellow ones...SO BRIGHT, good company to deal with

GT98 · Jun 30, 2007

whyask said:
I have there yellow ones...SO BRIGHT, good company to deal with

did you just put them in your stock fog housing? it made that much of a difference?

GT98 · Jul 2, 2007

EPIK · Jul 2, 2007

This is off the subject, & i know this is gonna make me sound like a noob, but what does "BUMP" mean????

Kilgore Trout · Jul 2, 2007

It means he wants the thread to go back to the top. It is just like TTT or To The Top.

In other news I try and I try and I can never quite seem to get my headlights aimed perfect. It was no problem with the GT but I swear the Cobra headlights frickin move around

EPIK · Jul 2, 2007

Kilgore Trout said:
It means he wants the thread to go back to the top. It is just like TTT or To The Top.

In other news I try and I try and I can never quite seem to get my headlights aimed perfect. It was no problem with the GT but I swear the Cobra headlights frickin move around

Thanks...I always wondered what "bump","TTT", & "LMAO" meant....

On the other subject, I didnt know that the 03-04 Cobra headlights were any different than other stangs??

Kilgore Trout · Jul 2, 2007

I do not think it is 03/04 headlights in general I think it is just mine.I think when I slam the hood it throws off their alignment or something

LMAO - laughing my azz off

EPIK · Jul 2, 2007

Thanks kilgore...LMAO!!!! Damn, 3 years on Stangnet & Im still a noob...

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