Ring&pinion install

mity2 · Feb 2, 2006

Is 5~6hr for ring&pinion install @$60/hr reasonable?

03ghoststang · Feb 2, 2006

that comes out to what $300-360 have you checked with other shops but sounds somewhat reasonable i was quoted 250 for everything

mity2 · Feb 2, 2006

ya I was thinkng about 250~300. But then I don't know nothing about ring and pinion install. thats why I asked. I'm going to look around. This quote is from trans/rear end shop. I figure that they would be most accurate quote as they do it all the time..

helty · Feb 2, 2006

5-6 hrs seems a little long to me. the guy that did mine is a technician at a Ford dealership, and uses the shop on weekends to do side projects, like install my gears. all by himself, it took about 1-1.5hrs. he did it for $150, parts and labor. Of course you're not going to find that kind of deal, but 5-6hrs seems like they're milking it to get some extra cash out of you.

propellerhead · Feb 2, 2006

I've gotten quotes ranging from $100 to $250 in the Dallas/Ft Worth area for the entire job. All I supplied were the gears. I went with the $100 deal and hung out and watched. It took 3 hrs.

03ghoststang · Feb 2, 2006

yeah some shops may require some more time due to the fact that they dont want a comeback and do it for free all over again

tomustang · Feb 2, 2006

gear install shouldnt take more than 3hr max

Kilgore Trout · Feb 2, 2006

I was quoted 8 hours at $85 by the local Ford dealer. I think $250-300 is a fair price. What gears are you getting?

Jackie Chan · Feb 2, 2006

200 is a good number from a good shop....do you have any mustang shops where you live?

White Stang · Feb 2, 2006

$150 to $250 is fair for labor. 3 hours tops. But they usually estimate in there favor like $300.00 or 4 hours what ever comes first.

mity2 · Feb 2, 2006

Jackie Chan said:
200 is a good number from a good shop....do you have any mustang shops where you live?

No... I wish there is any... I think nearest one is Kuffmans, and thats like 3hr away....

And Killie, I'm thinking I'm going with 3.73.

I don't want 4.11, as I'm defenately have fear for 4.11 gears...

Mike97gt · Feb 2, 2006

helty said:
5-6 hrs seems a little long to me. the guy that did mine is a technician at a Ford dealership, and uses the shop on weekends to do side projects, like install my gears. all by himself, it took about 1-1.5hrs. he did it for $150, parts and labor. Of course you're not going to find that kind of deal, but 5-6hrs seems like they're milking it to get some extra cash out of you.

no shop is going to do a gear install for 1.0 -1.5 that is just not going to happen.

rear end rebuilds and gear installs tend to have a high comeback ratio and also somtimes whine even when setup right and need to be reset again. all this is time consuming.

the guy who did it in 1 hour must have not measured everything and reused the old shims. either that or he is godlike good and all ford shops need to build a statue of him and worship it.

BTW in the flate rate quoting system. the job pays a certian amount of hours and that is quoted out of a book. ford pays 2.8 hours under warrenty for a rebuild. so that the time it takes for the factory techs to do the job the right way after 10 times doing it. thats how ford figures it.

for cash work shops double warrenty time to make up for time to measure everythign again if needed. see under warrenty we can use M/T time if we need more time. but customers tend to flip out when the labor goes over estimate so we bill in a cushion ahead of time.

well anyways. the time he was quoted is fair. considering they are responsible for that rear end. shops would not stay in buisness charging 1 hour for 1 hour work.

Mike97gt · Feb 2, 2006

you have to rememeber a lot of guys out there reuse the beairng cups. ( the ones pressed into the housing) that cuts down on the install time. and makes it more likely that it will be within spec with the old shims. personally i think thats hack. i do all mine installs with new bearings, cups and i require the purchase of a carrier shim and pinion shim kit. if you did not buy these parts your rear end did not get reshimed.

i am very expensive because of this. on the side i charge 250 labor no parts included. thru the shop i want 6.0 minimum. our labor rate is 93 a hour

not that it matters. as i am not taking on new customers on the side right now ( i am so overloaded it's not funny) but if somebody lives in massachusetts and dont mind paying the shop labor rate i will do there install thru the dealer i work at.

helty · Feb 2, 2006

hey, I told him he's not going to find that deal anywhere else. The guy that did mine is much like you. He does gear swaps all the time. He works as a Ford technician and runs his own race team. No whine, no problems at all. I dont know enough about it to tell you how he did it, or what parts he used/re-used. Probably wasnt done "by the book", but he stands by his work and told me he'll do it all over again if theres any whine or rear-end problems. All I can tell you is that Im happy with the job. I have no whine, and no noticable drivetrain vibration until about 95mph, which happens with 4.10s. Good thing I dont drive that fast unless Im at the track.

For the price I cant complain. I plan on switching to 3.73s or 3.90s with a fully built rear end, new seals and bearings all the way around when I have my blower kit installed at the end of the summer.

Mike97gt · Feb 2, 2006

helty. yeah you got a good deal. but when you tell people about it they want the same deal.. not everybody can get hooked up.

my 4.10's were not measured 100 percent. i just checked the backlash after install and that was in spec. on my own car i rush a little because i am usually working on it after i already worked 8-10 hours. but the thing is if mine start whining i can do it over again. i HATE having a comeback so i never do it that was on a customer car. only for mine and friends if they want to pay less.

imblown-ru · Feb 2, 2006

damnit helty you spent 67.28 on something! what is it this time?

helty · Feb 2, 2006

svttech76 said:
helty. yeah you got a good deal. but when you tell people about it they want the same deal.. not everybody can get hooked up.

my 4.10's were not measured 100 percent. i just checked the backlash after install and that was in spec. on my own car i rush a little because i am usually working on it after i already worked 8-10 hours. but the thing is if mine start whining i can do it over again. i HATE having a comeback so i never do it that was on a customer car. only for mine and friends if they want to pay less.

i know, I told mity2 not to expect that unless he has connections. I got real lucky. I met a guy, who knew a guy who had two sets of FRPP 4.10s new in box laying around (they were for his old car) and wanted to get rid of them. $100 for gears and $50 for install. at the time my car only had 28k on it, so I made the call to reuse the bearings. I knew I was taking a chance not going through a shop, and the price seemed to good to be true. Fortunately for me it worked out fine. Any other time, theres a good chance I would have all kinds of rear end problems. When I do the overhaul on the 8.8", Im definitely taking it to a shop that has a written and signed warranty, and I expect to pay more.

If you say a good, warranted by-the-book gear install should take xxhrs and cost $xxx.xx dollars, I'll believe you. Im sure you know a lot more about that than I do. Thats something I would love to learn how to do someday. I know it takes special tools to make precision measurements, but I like that kind of work. Every time I do a new job Ive never done before, I love learning while Im going and look forward to something new.

helty · Feb 2, 2006

imblown-ru said:
damnit helty you spent 67.28 on something! what is it this time?

no, thats a negative sign in front of the dollar sign. you can do the math, its more than I like to own up to.

McLeod Stage 2 and MM LCA's. Got a real good deal on both of them, saved almost $100

imblown-ru · Feb 2, 2006

oh no...your in the hole for the s/c...ouch. my roomate tried to take my credit card..maybe someone should do that to you.

helty · Feb 2, 2006

imblown-ru said:
oh no...your in the hole for the s/c...ouch. my roomate tried to take my credit card..maybe someone should do that to you.

oh no, I dont use the CC for mods. I pay cash money for everything as far as the car goes. I had $300 set aside for the Novi 2000 kit, but I couldnt pass this deal up. saved $100, and I'm going to need a stronger clutch when I get the Novi anyway. When it gets here Im putting it in storage until I get my Kooks LT's and Novi installed

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