SN95 caliper brackets for Granada spindle

degins · Sep 2, 2007

Pics as promised. I just completed a set of mock up brackets for SN95 2 piston PBRs onto Granada spindles. They will bolt up just like the Granada bracket using 2 bolts only, no adapters. I will send these off for modeling and prototyping. They should be available in a few months, but will probably take longer. I'll need a couple of volunteers to try them out on their Granada front brakes.

There have probably been post on how the hoses must be configured. Let me know if you have any experience with them.

See a couple pic links and a thumbnail below

http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51873&d=1188718613
http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51875&d=1188718653

brianj5600 · Sep 2, 2007

I used the soft lines for the 99-04 caliper. The pass side needs an adapter though. The tube nut is bigger than the hose end. I used the bolt on tabs off a 95 to secure them to the body. It has been a while since I did it, but I think that the original ones put a twist in the hose.

ultrastang · Sep 2, 2007

degins said:
Pics as promised. I just completed a set of mock up brackets for SN95 2 piston PBRs onto Granada spindles. They will bolt up just like the Granada bracket using 2 bolts only, no adapters. I will send these off for modeling and prototyping. They should be available in a few months, but will probably take longer. I'll need a couple of volunteers to try them out on their Granada front brakes.

There have probably been post on how the hoses must be configured. Let me know if you have any experience with them.

See a couple pic links and a thumbnail below

http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51873&d=1188718613
http://forums.stangnet.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=51875&d=1188718653

Dennis,

If you are needing volunteers for fit-up, component operation, photos, etc., I'm pretty sure I could secure the use of this Mustang belonging to a friend of mine I've known since grade school: http://ultrastang.com/Ultrainfo.asp?Page_ID=13

I installed Granada front discs on this '65 back in 1996. In 2002, Steven loaned me this '65 to experiment with in adapting the Mk VII rear discs. This was the first Mustang the Mk VII setup I produce was installed and used on.

I have the facilities to work on the front Granada setup, as well as all the needed SAE or ISO metric flaring tools and fittings that would be needed.

If you're interested, you can send me an email. Thanks.

--Steve

degins · Sep 2, 2007

ultrastang said:
Dennis,

If you are needing volunteers for fit-up, component operation, photos, etc., I'm pretty sure I could secure the use of this Mustang belonging to a friend of mine I've known since grade school: http://ultrastang.com/Ultrainfo.asp?Page_ID=13

I installed Granada front discs on this '65 back in 1996. In 2002, Steven loaned me this '65 to experiment with in adapting the Mk VII rear discs. This was the first Mustang the Mk VII setup I produce was installed and used on.

I have the facilities to work on the front Granada setup, as well as all the needed SAE or ISO metric flaring tools and fittings that would be needed.

If you're interested, you can send me an email. Thanks.

--Steve

Sounds good, I'll contact you when the arrival of the prototypes are imminent.
Dennis

Tubo(2-bo) · Sep 2, 2007

Dennis.
If the offer of,"I'll need a couple of volunteers to try them out on their Granada front brakes. " hasent been filled I'd like to offer my 65 2+2. This is a mod Ive been waiting for, anyway.

Corky

I was even trying to twist Ultra's arm into trying the mod with me as a test platform, @ the BDBIV, inDallas this past July.

bnickel · Sep 3, 2007

degins said:
Sounds good, I'll contact you when the arrival of the prototypes are imminent.
Dennis

Dennis, you did know that i was also volumteering whe i replied in the other thread right? i'll volunteer and buy them from you as well.

BlwnGazkit · Sep 3, 2007

I can volunteer as well on my '68. Just put the 17" wheels on so shouldn't be any problems! Would probably be interested in purchasing a set as well depending on how things look and work!

Lemme know if I can help.

Also sendign you a PM.

degins · Sep 3, 2007

I'll keep everyone posted in this forum.

edgars23 · Sep 4, 2007

I have a set of 99-04 GT brakes that I am wanting to install on my 67 coupe. Does this bracket require any machine work to the Granada spindles, similar to the brackets that were once offered by Daze Cars? If you needed any more volunteers, I am more than willing to try them out on my car. My 67 coupe is all drums at the moment, so I am looking forward to swapping those out. When do you think this will be ready for sale to the public?

degins · Sep 4, 2007

edgars23 said:
I have a set of 99-04 GT brakes that I am wanting to install on my 67 coupe. Does this bracket require any machine work to the Granada spindles, similar to the brackets that were once offered by Daze Cars? If you needed any more volunteers, I am more than willing to try them out on my car. My 67 coupe is all drums at the moment, so I am looking forward to swapping those out. When do you think this will be ready for sale to the public?

I hope to have samples within 4 months. I will post when they are available. Volunteers will be provided brackets and perhaps hoses. They must already have Granada type spindles installed, and provide their own calipers and pads.

brianj5600 · Sep 4, 2007

Degins, you mentioned Cobra calipers in the other thread. It uses a different cage as well, are you making GT and Cobra adapters/cages? Do you know of a 13" rotor that will work?

degins · Sep 4, 2007

brianj5600 said:
Degins, you mentioned Cobra calipers in the other thread. It uses a different cage as well, are you making GT and Cobra adapters/cages? Do you know of a 13" rotor that will work?

I will take a look at several caliper possibilities for use with the drop spindle. The 2 pot PBR bracket looks like it will be a challenging design . I'll take a look at the Cobra caliper and 13" rotor.

ultrastang · Sep 4, 2007

degins said:
I will take a look at several caliper possibilities for use with the drop spindle. The 2 pot PBR bracket looks like it will be a challenging design . I'll take a look at the Cobra caliper and 13" rotor.

The SN95 '99+ V6/GT calipers can be adapted to the Granada spindles pretty easily. The SN95 Cobra is not so easy, because the way the mounting ears hang so far below the caliper anchor bracket (cage), compared to the anchor bracket of the '99+ V6/GT calipers.

The next thing is that a stock-configured 13" Cobra rotor has a very shallow hat, compared to the original Granada rotor's hat thickness. This moves the friction surfaces of the Cobra discs further away from the spindle's upright (pushes it more outward).

About the only way I could see you could effectively move the friction surfaces of the Cobra rotors more inboard, toward the root of the spindle pin, would be to: (A) Use a two-piece rotor with a deeper hat offset, or (B) cast a specialty rotor designed specifically for the Granada spindle application.

bnickel · Sep 4, 2007

ultrastang said:
The SN95 '99+ V6/GT calipers can be adapted to the Granada spindles pretty easily. The SN95 Cobra is not so easy, because the way the mounting ears hang so far below the caliper anchor bracket (cage), compared to the anchor bracket of the '99+ V6/GT calipers.

The next thing is that a stock-configured 13" Cobra rotor has a very shallow hat, compared to the original Granada rotor's hat thickness. This moves the friction surfaces of the Cobra discs further away from the spindle's upright (pushes it more outward).

About the only way I could see you could effectively move the friction surfaces of the Cobra rotors more inboard, toward the root of the spindle pin, would be to: (A) Use a two-piece rotor with a deeper hat offset, or (B) cast a specialty rotor designed specifically for the Granada spindle application.

Steve, do you think it would possible to mount the rotor like Ford did with the 65-70 Mustang disc brakes where the hub is actually mounted on the out side of the rotor instead of the inside? just throwing out questions here

Tubo(2-bo) · Sep 4, 2007

Just another throwout, is there a rotor closer to 12" diam that be useable for this app. Almost have to have 17'wheels for a 13'. I wouldent mind somthing for 16"'s. Prolly not enough demand, to develop.
Heck, I'm happy reducing the unsprung weight , as I use <480 Progressives.

bnickle, didja, ever check the answer to "what was that about anyway, i don't even remember"?? Heh heh, no worries

edgars23 · Sep 4, 2007

degins said:
I hope to have samples within 4 months. I will post when they are available. Volunteers will be provided brackets and perhaps hoses. They must already have Granada type spindles installed, and provide their own calipers and pads.

I can have Granada calipers and all parts ready to go. So just let me know.
-Edgar

ultrastang · Sep 4, 2007

bnickel said:
Steve, do you think it would possible to mount the rotor like Ford did with the 65-70 Mustang disc brakes where the hub is actually mounted on the out side of the rotor instead of the inside? just throwing out questions here

That can be done, but a stock Cobra rotor will not work, directly, without the center hole of the rotor being machined out larger to clear the O.D. (on the backside) of the spindle hub.

This will move the Cobra rotor's friction surfaces more inboard, but I don't know exactly by how much.

Hack · Sep 4, 2007

If you don't already have enough volunteers, I volunteer as well. My '70 has Granada front discs I installed several years ago. I've also done the work of relocating the upper control arms and fabricating angled shims to prevent the ball joints from binding. I have access to equipment for welding and light fabrication if need be.

I promise to use them hard as well!

brianj5600 · Sep 4, 2007

ultrastang said:
The SN95 Cobra is not so easy, because the way the mounting ears hang so far below the caliper anchor bracket (cage), compared to the anchor bracket of the '99+ V6/GT calipers.

The "ears" are further below to move the caliper out for bigger rotors. This allows them to bolt up to the GT/V6 knuckle w/o an adapter. I could unbolt my 02 GT caliper and bolt on a Cobra caliper if I had a 13" rotor that had the same offset as a Granada rotor. I need to look into some stockcar hats and see if any will work.

bnickel · Sep 4, 2007

ultrastang said:
That can be done, but a stock Cobra rotor will not work, directly, without the center hole of the rotor being machined out larger to clear the O.D. (on the backside) of the spindle hub.

This will move the Cobra rotor's friction surfaces more inboard, but I don't know exactly by how much.

i just happen to have a set sitting on my bench, let me go measure and i'll post the results in a moment.

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