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CRASH7772 · Jun 14, 2004

cold96snake said:
Don't get me wrong, I believed you. That was the basis for my initial question. If it was just displacement, then the ZO6's would be putting a lot higher tq #'s down. So that makes me
Energy vs. force?

EDIT: This page is officially .
I'm gonna be here for post 3k.

I wasn't thinking you didn't believe me but just figured I could put a graph up. My 302 dynoed 298 at the wheels, the ZO6 dynoed 350 at the wheels. Both of these cars are N/A. When you add forced induction it changes alot, when you port/open up air/exhaust it changes alot as well. But 9 times out of 10 the large CI will have the greater torque. Storker motors are great for torque (which adds alot of CI compared to boring) but generally you can't rev the piss out of them becuase the longer the stoke generally means the less rpm you will turn. Basically as a general rule of thumb, bigger CI makes more torque. Best way I can put it besides getting into the technical BS.

CRASH7772 · Jun 14, 2004

FEARNO1 said:
5-10

I vote for 10hp. If your cats have some miles on them, new cats flow better. Do you have the 4 cat set up? Not to good with the non 5.0 info.

gaslight · Jun 14, 2004

Just to add some fuel to the fire.
Think of a car with lots of HP but not much torque. THat vehicle has to be wound up high(think VTEC) to get moving with any speed. Now a vehicle with lots of torque but not lots of HP(think diesel truck or big block car) can get up and move to its peak quicker without winding the piss out of the motor.
Torque is real cool, its a measure of twisting motion. Twisting gets those tires twisting without beating the snot out of the engine. HP really helps on the topend when torque dies off. You hopefully shift and your RPMs drop to a point where your torque is at its peak so you can hold that acceleration.
I hope that I am not talking out my butt here. It is a confusing thing to understand and relate to someone else.

gaslight · Jun 14, 2004

Dan_Soprano said:
bro, do you ever sleep?

I told you that if you started post whoring in the middle of the night that Travis would appear. One of you guys said he must have an alarm on his computer to wake him when someone else is on.

Venom351R · Jun 14, 2004

Dan_Soprano said:
bro, do you ever sleep?

Yeah, I just got home from work. I did 4 hrs of OT. worked 1 PM to 1 AM, actually got out around 1:15 and well you know I cant go to sleep w/ out checking out stangnet.

DoubleONegative · Jun 14, 2004

FEARNO1 said:
cold96snake said:

If the other Mike picked up 20 rwhp w/ his x pipe, maybe that will be my next mod instead of the shifter. QUOTE]

He also put on a Cat back at the same time so he picked up that 20hp from a combo of both catback and h-pipe

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Word larry i put on the ProChamber H-pipe and the FR500 catback on the same afternoon.

i would venture to say you may pick up more with an X-pipe up top. I like the sound of an H-pipe so i went that route X or H its up to you really

i have also heard of some people gaining HP and losing some low end TQ with the X pipes

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

HOLY $H!T!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are getting way to technical for this thread!!!!! This thread is for stupid babble nonsense and dick and butt jokes!!!

Venom351R · Jun 15, 2004

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

Ok, so whats the deal with sunday?? Gardiner show!!!!!!!! I'll be there

FEARNO1 · Jun 15, 2004

Dan_Soprano said:
Ok, so whats the deal with sunday?? Gardiner show!!!!!!!! I'll be there

Ya I'll be there too.....man I could use something to take my mind off things. I am wondering how much worse this year can get. My Grandmother passed away yesterday and the funeral is on Friday. Well at least she is at peace now and where she wants to be. Sorry guys just had to vent.......

BadVoodoo · Jun 15, 2004

Dan_Soprano said:
This thread is for stupid babble nonsense and dick and butt jokes!!!

Right up your alley Danny boy.

-Mike

BadVoodoo · Jun 15, 2004

Striped5.0 said:
Noo Its off.....

Ummm....., it's on.....

-Mike

BadVoodoo · Jun 15, 2004

ironheart1 said:
Horsepower vs Torque is a funny thing, really. I don't quite understand it save for this explanation: Horsepower is a measure of the energy your engine produces while torque is a measure of the force your engine produces. I don't think that how long you're producing power for depends on your horsepower so much as your setup and your stroke.

From the CM Performance website(I cringe)

Horsepower

What is horsepower (HP)?
James Watt made some pretty hot steam engines before we were born (get the "hot" pun?). Anyway, he needed a way to measure the power output of them, so he hooked his horse up to one of those pumps that you turn the lever around in a circle to make it pump. He did all the math figuring how fast the horse was going and how much torque it put on the pump over 1 minute, blah blah, and came up with a horsepower number of 550 pounds per feet per second.

HP = RPM * torque /5252
RPM is revolutions per minute
Torque is in ft pounds
5252 takes care of converting all the units from Watts' 550 pounds per feet per second.
By the way, 746 Watts (electrical) = 1hp.
You can fiddle with this formula to solve for rpm or torque too.
example: torque = HP * 5252 / rpm
example: rpm = HP * 5252 / torque
What is BHP or brake horsepower?
This is HP measured at the crankshaft of the engine, with no fan, air cleaner, alternator, transmission, air conditioner, basically nothing but the engine. This how most manufactures rate their engines, and it is pretty much crapola. Rear wheel hp (RWHP) is what your making at the wheels, what your putting to the road, and it should be all you care about, because that is what moves your vehicle. All our dyno charts are true RWHP. A lot of dyno shops up the RWHP that they measure by 15-30% (estimating losses of trans, alternator, whatever), and try and give you an BHP number. Yes, it gives you a bigger number, and yes, your a sucker to believe it. How do you know if those power pulleys, new tranny, lightened flywheel make a difference if someone is fudging your numbers from dyno to dyno? Don't let them do it, and don't let someone show you a chassis dyno curve that indicates BHP.
What is corrected HP?
Corrected Horsepower is a way to equalize dyno readings across temperature, barometric pressure, and relative humidity. All these conditions affect the way your car breathes air and makes power. Does your car feel snappier on a cold day? It's because the air is denser, so your car gets a bigger gulp of air as compared to a hot day, and makes more power. Ever drive in the mountains and feel like your car lost 2 cylinders? As you go up in altitude the air gets thinner, so your car can't get as much air to make power. Same thing happens to me when I go hiking. Anyway, the SAE (society of automotive engineers) got together and figured out how all these factors affect HP, and we can apply some simple math to our dyno results to "correct" for the atmospheric conditions when the test was done. If everyone corrects to the same standard conditions, then we can compare dyno results from day to day. All our dyno charts are corrected to SAE 29.6"Hg 77 deg F wet conditions.

-Mike

BadVoodoo · Jun 15, 2004

FEARNO1 said:
Ya I'll be there too.....man I could use something to take my mind off things. I am wondering how much worse this year can get. My Grandmother passed away yesterday and the funeral is on Friday. Well at least she is at peace now and where she wants to be. Sorry guys just had to vent.......

I am sorry to hear that bro, it's always tough to lose a loved one... Let me know if Katie and I can do anything.

-Mike

BadVoodoo · Jun 15, 2004

BTW guys, I will be at the Gardiner show also, can't miss that one

-Mike

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

FEARNO1 said:
Ya I'll be there too.....man I could use something to take my mind off things. I am wondering how much worse this year can get. My Grandmother passed away yesterday and the funeral is on Friday. Well at least she is at peace now and where she wants to be. Sorry guys just had to vent.......

wow bro, sorry to hear. Let me know if I can do anything!

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

Can't stop now, alomost at 3000!!!

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

2 more to go!!

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

1 more !!!!!!!

Dan_Soprano · Jun 15, 2004

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I OWN # 3000 BEOTCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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