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Starter fails to retract even with the switch in the off position

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I have a 93 lx hatch with a engine trans combo out of a 90. It has the 1 wire starter which is brand new as well as the relay on the fender. This car has had a battery relocation as well. 5 out of 10 times when I start it the starter fails to retract (Still has power going to it) until I pull the battery cable. Seems to be worse when it is hot also. I was wondering if the ingnition switch could be the problem? I also have a new Exide battery in her as well.

Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Replace the Solonoid....Almost burned a my lincoln up once.
 

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My 91 did this to me a year or so ago. Had to disconnect the battery to get it to stop spinning. Replaced the solenoid and it hasn't' done it since.
 

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It has a new starter, solenoid(relay), and battery. Still that same thing.
 

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Clearance maybe be too tight between the starter and flywheel.
 

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The starter still has voltage going to it until I disconnect the battery.

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Check to see if you have fire on the little wire on the soleniod when the starter is suck. If you do then the problem is in the key switch, if not then as stated replace the soleniod.
 

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What's a one-wire starter? I think of those as the older non-piggyback solenoid style.

If you have two solenoids, is it wired correctly (the fender relay being a slave on the interlock circuit, not the power circuit)? If not, you can get inductance issues that can cause the starter to keep going on its own.

If your clutch safety switch is functional, does the starter release if you release the clutch pedal (with the car in neutral of course)?
 

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Thanks for the info. My starter only has one wire on it. It has the hot from the solenoid on the fender.
 

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If the slide-on wire is cold after you release the key but the starter-cable lug is still hot, the solenoid is latched.
 

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solenoid bad
 

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Ive seen brand new solenoids crap out.
 

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I went to the dealership and bought a ford relay(solenoid) and put it on the morning and started it up several times perfect. I then drove it for 30min and cut it off. I then started it up 4 more times in a row with a few seconds break between, and it done it again. I pulled the hot going to the relay from the switch and the starter was still latched in. I had to unhook the ground from the battery to get it to stop again. I almost think that heat / resistance may be a issue or could I be getting a induced voltage?

Thanks for the help!
 

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mattsls2 said:
I went to the dealership and bought a ford relay(solenoid) and put it on the morning and started it up several times perfect. I then drove it for 30min and cut it off. I then started it up 4 more times in a row with a few seconds break between, and it done it again. I pulled the hot going to the relay from the switch and the starter was still latched in. I had to unhook the ground from the battery to get it to stop again. I almost think that heat / resistance may be a issue or could I be getting a induced voltage?

Thanks for the help!
Click to expand...

I had to go through this nightmare and replaced so many parts. The only part left was the safety neutral switch (I have an automatic). Instead of buying a new safety neutral switch I just bypassed it and have never ever had anymore problems with starter stuck on even with the key off. Good luck...
 

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I went through 3 new solenoids before I got one that didn't stick.........
 

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No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 09-July-2009 to reorder stuck solenoid help.

No crank and stuck starter solenoid problems have the same root causes – low battery voltage and poor connections. For that reason, they are grouped together.
Use the same initial group of tests to find the root cause of both no crank and stuck solenoid problems.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…


1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery for low charge and dead cells. A good battery will measure 12-13 volts at full charge with the ignition switch in the Run position but without the engine running.
A voltmeter placed across the battery terminals should show a minimum of 9.5-10 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position and the starter engages or tries to engage. Less than this will result in a clicking solenoid, or slow cranking (if it cranks at all) or a starter solenoid that sticks and welds the contacts together.

Most auto parts stores will check your battery for free. It does not have to be installed in the car to have it checked; you can carry it with you to the auto parts store.

The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or battery post cleaner tool. This little trick will fix a surprising number of no start problems.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a know problem causer. Any place you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Corroded connections do not conduct electricity well. Avoid them like the plague...

If the starter solenoid welds the contacts, then the starter will attempt to run anytime there is power in the battery. The cables and solenoid will get very hot, and may even start smoking. The temporary fix for a welded starter solenoid is to disconnect the battery and smack the back of the solenoid housing a sharp blow with a hammer. This may cause the contacts to unstuck and work normally for a while.

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .5 volts across a connection indicates a problem.

See Automotive Test Tools for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .



2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean them up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter solenoid next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

The rest of the tech note only concerns no crank problems. If your problem was a stuck solenoid, go back to step 1.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds



6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.


Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang



Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.


Electrical checks for the switches and starter solenoid

Remove the small red/blue wire from the starter solenoid. Use a screwdriver to bridge the connection from the battery positive connection on the starter solenoid to the small screw where the red/blue wire was connected. The starter should crank the engine. If it does not, the starter solenoid is defective.

If the starter does crank the engine, the problem is in the clutch safety circuit (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) or ignition switch.


Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds


You will need a voltmeter or test lamp for the rest of the checks. Connect one lead of the voltmeter or test lamp to ground. The other lead will connect to the item under test.
Look for 12 volts on the white/pink wire when the ignition switch is turned to the Start position. Check the ignition switch first.
No 12 volts, replace the ignition switch.

The next step will require you to push the clutch pedal to the floor (5 speed) or put the transmission in neutral (auto trans) while the ignition switch is turned to the Start position.
Good 12 volts, check the clutch safety switch (5 speed) or Neutral Sense Switch (auto trans) for good 12 volts on both sides of the switches. No 12 volts on both sides of the switch and the switches are defective or out of adjustment. Check the wiring for bad connections while you are at it.
 
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