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Hey guys, I have to get this figured out.

So when I start first start the car for the day, it starts great. I will drive it for 20 minutes or so. If I run into a store, come back out, it roll's verrrrry slow, and sometimes wont start. So today I pulled the starter, took it to Advance Auto, and had it tested. The guy said it was bad. GREAT right? wrong. Replaced the starter, did the same thing again.

Yesterdays progress. We drove the car, got it hot, parked it, and tried to start it again. Rolled very slowly. So, we put a set of jumpers on the car. Fired right up. So, now we thought batter. Took the battery into Advanced Auto, they tested it, the battery is fine. Checked the timing for good messure, timing is perfect. Started looking at wiring. Had a buddy check the cable from the solenoid to the starter, looked like we were losing alot of power through that! Threw a new cable on it. Drove around town, shutting down and starting it. Worked great!

Problem fixed right? Wrong. Drove it to work today. Parked it, tried to start it, slow rolling again. This is getting really old.....
 

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Pay close attention to the voltage drop testing section of this tech note. If you use it correctly, you will find the source of the problem.

No Crank checklist for 5.0 Mustangs

Revised 30-Jan-2009 to reorder checklist and add cleaning procedure for connections.

Since some of the tests will bypass the safety interlocks, make sure that the car is in neutral and the parking brake is set. Becoming a pancake isn’t part of the repair process…

1.) Will the car start if it is jumped? Then clean battery terminals and check battery.
The battery posts and inside of the battery post terminals should be scraped clean with a knife or cleaner brush tool.

The clamp on with 2 bolts battery terminal ends are a know problem causer. Anyplace you see green on a copper wire is corrosion. Corrosion gets in the clamped joint and works its way up the wire under the insulation. Avoid them like the plague...

A voltmeter is handy if you are familiar with how to use it to find bad connections. Measure the voltage drop across a connection while trying to start the car: more than .5 volts across a connection indicates a problem.

See Automotive Test Tools for help for help troubleshooting voltage drops across connections and components. .



2.) Check the battery to engine block ground down near the oil filter, and the ground behind the engine to the firewall. All grounds should be clean and shiny. Use some sandpaper to clean then up.

3.) Jump the big terminals on the starter relay next to the battery with a screwdriver - watch out for the sparks! If the engine cranks, the starter and power wiring is good. The starter relay is also known as a starter solenoid.

4.) Then pull the small push on connector (small red/blue wire) off the starter solenoid (Looks like it is stuck on a screw). Then jump between the screw and the terminal that is connected to the battery. If it cranks, the relay is good and your problem is in the rest of the circuit.

5.) Remember to check the ignition switch, neutral safety switch on auto trans and the clutch safety switch on manual trans cars. If they are good, then you have wiring problems.

Typical start circuit...
Diagram courtesy of Tmoss & Stang&2birds


AutoZone wiring diagrams

For 79-88 model Mustangs
AutoZone.com | Get In The Zone!

For 89-93 model Mustangs
AutoZone.com | Get In The Zone!

For 94-98 model Mustangs
AutoZone.com | Get In The Zone!

For 1999-2005 model Mustangs
AutoZone.com | Get In The Zone!

6.) Pull the starter and take it to AutoZone or Pep Boys and have them test it. Starter fails test, then replace it. If you got this far, the starter is probably bad.

Starter solenoid wiring for 86-91 Mustang



Starter solenoid wiring 92-93 Mustang or earlier Mustang with upgraded high torque mini starter.
 
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