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The 5.0 movement and where it began

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TOOLOW91

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If you guys are bored , most of you know I’m laid up but check it out . Neil Van Opp happens to be a friend of mine who I met through my friend Roland in the video . Tony Defeo , ask Bernie Golick , Lee Rutter . Cool little history video and one bad ass 1,xxx mile coupe

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HW-QM9mFXPo&feature=youtu.be
 
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OMG that coupe! Wow!
 
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Great vid. Thanks for sharing.

I love their east coast accents. "He use to spray tha wotta'!"
 
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Habu135 said:
Great vid. Thanks for sharing.

I love their east coast accents. "He use to spray tha wotta'!"
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That’s how we talk around here . Lol
 
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TOOLOW91 said:
That’s how we talk around here . Lol
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"Havard Yad"
 
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4 min in so far... Loving it!

Subscribed to everyone. Looking forward to seeing Tony's, Neil's, and Evan's shenanigans again.
 
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FastDriver said:
4 min in so far... Loving it!
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A lot of cool stuff . Makes you want a legit bone stock car to mess with when it’s done . That’s coming from someone who owns a car in Similar fashion to both of your awesome cars . It would be fun to keep it simple
 

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Just makes me wish I knew where to be as a kid in the late 80's and early 90's.
 

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Bernie is talking about the difference in the manual and auto computers saying that the auto computer was the way to go. That's a new one to me. Presumably he's talking about the A9L vs. the A9P, and I always thought the A9L was the way to go. Any thoughts?

Also, WTH is he talking about the computer pulling timing when it pings? I am not following what he's referring to. Is it possible he's thinking of the EEC V cars?
 

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FastDriver said:
Bernie is talking about the difference in the manual and auto computers saying that the auto computer was the way to go. That's a new one to me. Presumably he's talking about the A9L vs. the A9P, and I always thought the A9L was the way to go. Any thoughts?

Also, WTH is he talking about the computer pulling timing when it pings? I am not following what he's referring to. Is it possible he's thinking of the EEC V cars?
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I was wondering the same . I always thought the auto had more aggressive tables for timing then the manual but I’m not sure what he was referring too there .

Bernie got old . Just 4 years ago or so I met him at NMRA maple grove he drove his pantera from north jersey there . Sad to see him like that
 

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FastDriver said:
Bernie is talking about the difference in the manual and auto computers saying that the auto computer was the way to go. That's a new one to me. Presumably he's talking about the A9L vs. the A9P, and I always thought the A9L was the way to go. Any thoughts?

Also, WTH is he talking about the computer pulling timing when it pings? I am not following what he's referring to. Is it possible he's thinking of the EEC V cars?
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I was just talking about the computers with someone last week, vaguely remember that if you own a manual you could use either computer but if you had the auto then it had to be the A9P.
 

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I was just talking about the computers with someone last week, vaguely remember that if you own a manual you could use either computer but if you had the auto then it had to be the A9P.
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Yes . I had an original auto car. The neutral input and 02 wiring would fry a stick one . I tried to do this early on . Lol
 
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FastDriver said:
Bernie is talking about the difference in the manual and auto computers saying that the auto computer was the way to go. That's a new one to me. Presumably he's talking about the A9L vs. the A9P, and I always thought the A9L was the way to go. Any thoughts?

Also, WTH is he talking about the computer pulling timing when it pings? I am not following what he's referring to. Is it possible he's thinking of the EEC V cars?
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I remember a thread on corral where someone dissected the coding between the a9l and a9p and found there really wasn’t a significant difference.

This was after years of the “auto computer more aggressive myth”
 
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Found it. Post 6 and 8

A9L vs A9P vs X3Z

Can anyone tell me the difference in performance between these three computers? Will there be any appreciable difference in street performance on a basically stock 93 cobra motor when using any of the three? Ford must have used the X3Z on the 93 for a reason. I'm converting a stock GT motor...
forums.corral.net
 
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Yeah, what he seemed to be saying was that both chips would pull timing due to ping and then the A9P would add it back in more quickly. I also considered that maybe he meant that there was a shift-retard. Neither, so far as I understand it, is the case. The computer has no way to detect ping, and it does not pull timing on the shifts. However, according to the link you sent, the difference between the two is about 1/2 a degree at WOT at certain RPM. At the top, it's the same.

The partial load tables have some significant departures, though. If they were measuring the timing in that range and assuming that it applied at WOT, then they may have easily been misled by their observations.
 

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I watched this video this afternoon. It's very Cool. I know Tony from my Mopar forum, I'm also into old Mopars.
Also remember going to Atco raceway in the 70's when I was a little kid. Saw lot's of cool cars.
 
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Great video, thanks for sharing. Gotta go powershift my '89 now....
 
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