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tore the 331 down today to prep for heads and..

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Modular2v

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i figured i would just go through and put all new gaskets and seals on it and im glad i did! The oil pump drive shaft looked like a drill bit!!!! haha Glad it didnt break. Has anyone had any issues with the ARP shafts?
 

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You ever see one on those ARP shafts? STOUT!!! Not likely you'll ever twist one of those up.

Are you running a h/v pump?

I like the blueprinted s/v race pumps from these guys. Had one in my 331 and would use them again...along with the beefy shaft.

www.precisionoilpumps.com
 

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Did you check the pump to see what was wrong? My buddy turned an oil pump drive shaft into what looked like an easy out. His new melling oil pump had a piece of debris in it from the factory so it locked up and twisted his shaft off. Replaced the pump and used an ARP shaft, no problems the second time around.
 

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The ARP sahft is usually fine, just check to make sure you have proper clearance with your dist.

OR

Just use a Ford Racing shaft that has more relieved areas on both ends.
 

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good to hear you caught that before it went kablammy!
 

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bullitstang1313 said:
Did you check the pump to see what was wrong? My buddy turned an oil pump drive shaft into what looked like an easy out. His new melling oil pump had a piece of debris in it from the factory so it locked up and twisted his shaft off. Replaced the pump and used an ARP shaft, no problems the second time around.
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i dont think there is anything wrong with the pump I have seen quite a few people do this. . . . i think i will replace the pump anyway but i will NOT be using a high volume one as i really dont feel comfortable taking the chance of my pan being sucked dry at 6000rpms
 

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Rick 91GT said:
The ARP sahft is usually fine, just check to make sure you have proper clearance with your dist.

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Just use a Ford Racing shaft that has more relieved areas on both ends.
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where can i get the FRPP one?
 

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you dont have a 7qt pan? if you spent the money on a stroker kit, might as well make sure it gets oiled properly to protect your investment
 

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you dont have a 7qt pan? if you spent the money on a stroker kit, might as well make sure it gets oiled properly to protect your investment
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whats it matter if im not running a high volume pump? Sure it would be extra insurance but The pan i have is fine and has oil pressure has never been a problem! If it wasnt getting oiled properly before dont you think it would have blown at 6000rpms on nitrous lol?
 

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the way i see it is when my block splits my investment is gone anway lol pan or no pan
 

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Modular2v said:
the way i see it is when my block splits my investment is gone anway lol pan or no pan
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haha true. i dunno it seems like most people who go with strokers end up buying an aftermarket pan. maybe it's because they think it looks cool... i dunno haha
 
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I will be using the stock pan and std. volume pump in my 331, i dont plan on spinning over 6200 rpms NA, which these parts should do fine with. I will need a better shaft, as i twisted my stock one a few years back pulling up my driveways...that sucked

I dont know if the nitrous makes any difference...instantly way more pressure on every part in the bottom end though.
 

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haha true. i dunno it seems like most people who go with strokers end up buying an aftermarket pan. maybe it's because they think it looks cool... i dunno haha
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Im not saying that your wrong, i just really have never given it much consideration
 
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well since it is out nows the time to get a bigger pan and if you don't have it already a windage tray. More hp to be found by getting rid of the drag of oil. In fact many drag racers used to just run 2 quarts of oil less when they drag raced so that the crank wouldn't be slopping through oil. You could do the same with a 7 quart pan and run 5 quarts.
 
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for a street car there is no need for the windage tray. you may pick up like 3hp at hig rpms...it's a waste IMO, as is the bigger pan for a street driven 331.

I could see if you are trying to squeeze like 425+rwhp NA out of this thing with a Dart block, but cmon.
 

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for a street car there is no need for the windage tray. you may pick up like 3hp at hig rpms...it's a waste IMO, as is the bigger pan for a street driven 331.

I could see if you are trying to squeeze like 425+rwhp NA out of this thing with a Dart block, but cmon.
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kind of what i was thinking. . . i dont know how much power the car will be making NA after the heads. I bet it will be close to the 400 mark though
 

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hey modular, what heads did you decide on?
 

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A set of trick flow twisted wedges. . .
 

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A set of trick flow twisted wedges. . .
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very nice, any work done to them? Im either switching to those, Im looking at the fox lake stage 2 ported TW 185's or..... Stage 2 canfields!
 
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for a street car there is no need for the windage tray. you may pick up like 3hp at hig rpms...it's a waste IMO, as is the bigger pan for a street driven 331. QUOTE]
Actually last year i believe MMFF mag dis a test to show how much hp a windage tray is worth. To simulate they put 4 quarts of oil in a factory pan instaed of 5. I believe the number was 6 RWHP. Windage trays are not just for auto cross cars. In fact older mopar muscle cars which i'm sure you all know were built for drag racing and pretty much that alone came with factory installed windage trays on there big blocks. I doubt the factory would have wasted there time with these components if they weren't going to give a bit of an edge to there vehicles. For how cheap a windage tray is i'm surprised not everyone installs one if they have there engine out.
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