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91 HATCH

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im looking for anyone that has put this kit on there car


did you like it

does it come with everything to install it
 
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i dont have it on my car but from what ive read its pretty impsessive for a best bang for the buck package deal. and im pretty sure it comes with everything you need to install it
 
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Ha thats all i can say... There has been countless threads on this subject. Yes it comes with everything, yes its a good top end kit(Norm. is around 300rwhp from what i've seen). It could use TB, MAF, injectors etc.. But doesn't have to have it.
 

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Trickflow H/C/I Combinations:

Street Heat Kits for $2,450:

TFS-K514-350-370 - Street Heat Intake/Street Heat Heads (smog provisions).
TFS-K514-350-370B – Street Heat Intake/Street Heat Heads, Black Upper Intake and Black Valve Covers (smog provisions).

That kit includes:

TFS-51402000 - Stage 1 Cam
TFS-51400510 - 1.6 Ratio, 3/8" Stud, Set of 16
TFS-21406700 - Pushrod Set of 16 -6.700”
TFS-51400904 - Head Gasket Set
TFS-51400801 - Cast Valve Covers or TFS-51411801 for Black.
TFS-51400004 - Twisted Wedge/Street Heads, Assembled (Kit has Single Valve Spring)
TFS-51500001 - 5.0L Street Heat EFI Intake Manifold
ARP-154-3601 - ARP Head Bolt Kit
TFS-51400800 - Oil Fill Kit
TFS-51478520 - Billet Timing Chain Set
FEL-TCS45449 - Fel-Pro Timing Cover Gasket Kit

Track Heat Kits for $2,500:

TFS-K514-360-350 – Track Heat Intake/Track Heat Heads (no smog provisions).
TFS-K514-360350B – Track Heat Intake/Track Heat Heads, Black Upper Intake and Black Valve Covers (no smog provisions).

TFS-51402000 - Stage 1 Cam
TFS-51400510 - 1.6 Ratio, 3/8" Stud, Set of 16, ask for 7/16” stud if wanted.
TFS-21406700 - Pushrod Set of 16 -6.700”
TFS-51400904 - Head Gasket Set
TFS-51400801 - Cast Valve Covers or TFS-51411801 for Black.
TFS-51400004 - Twisted Wedge/Street Heads, ask for track heat head upgrade confirmation.
TFS-51500001 - 5.0L Track Heat EFI Intake Manifold
ARP-154-3601 - ARP Head Bolt Kit
TFS-51400800 - Oil Fill Kit
TFS-51478520 - Billet Timing Chain Set
FEL-TCS45449 - Fel-Pro Timing Cover Gasket Kit

Extra Notes:

The street heat intake has 15 inch runners and the track heat intake has 12 inch runners.

The street heat heads come with smog provisions and the track heat does not. The track heat heads can be ported a bit more because of this.

Both the street heat and track heat heads come with 3/8” rocker studs and the track heat heads can be upgraded to thicker 7/16” rocker studs. Just call your sales representative to get the upgrade.

Both street heat and track heat versions have the option to come with dual valve springs and 10* locks.

Twisted Wedge and Street Heat Heads are the same, not to be confused with Track Heat.

The trickflow h/c/i packages are more designed for the fox-body cars do to valve cover tallness and throttle body adapter plate not being included.

Now, here is some things I would make sure you have when you do a heads, cam, intake swap:

Most of it is already taken care of

'87-'95 Heads, Cam, Intake Install Help

Checklist and Suggested Parts:

Parts are specific for 87-93 although most parts are the same for 94/95.

Head Gaskets - ROL-HG32841HR (.039) or ROL-HG32841HT (.045)
Lower Intake Gasket – FEL-MS93334 (stock) or FEL1250S
Upper to Lower Intake Gasket – Depends on Intake Used.
Valve Cover Gaskets* - FMS-M-6584-A50 (OEM)
Thermostat Gasket - FEL-35440
Timing Cover/Front Seal/Water Pump/Oil Pan U Gasket Kit - FEL-TCS45449
Water Pump Gasket - FEL-35211 (Plate to Block), FEL-35380 (Pump to Plate)
Head Bolts - FEL-ES72155 (stock), ARP-154-3601 (7/16”, recommended)
Header/Manifold Gaskets – FEL-1415
EGR Valve Gasket* - EDL-3830 (65-70mm TB/EGR/Plate to Valve Gasket)
Throttle Body Gasket - Same as above.
Intake Air Bypass Valve Gasket* - Same as above.
Hardened Pushrods
Timing Chain/Gear - FMS-M-6268-A302 or RollMaster - CS3071
Fuel Injectors - Stock 19lb injectors, 24lb (Cobra), 30lb injectors common
Mass Air Flow Sensor Calibrated for Injector
Fuel Pump (Stock is 88 or 95lph – Upgrade to 155/190/255lph)

*Optional

There are many different brands of products that you could use above instead of the ones outlined.

Tools:

¼”-15/16” Shallow and Deep Well Sockets and Wrenches
Combination of Extensions
Break Over Bar
Torque Wrench
Harmonic Balancer Puller
Gear Puller* (optional for stubborn timing chain)
Moroso Oil Pump Primer* - MOR-62210
A/C and Fuel Line Disconnect Tools*
Allen Wrenches*
Adjustable Wrench
Flathead and Phillips Screwdriver
Cam Degree Kit*
LocTite
Ultra Black RTV
Antiseize
Thread Sealer for Lower Head Bolts and Coolant Sensors
Assembly Lube or Oil for cam/lifters
Two Oil Changes and Filters
Ford Thermactor Plugs* (2 extra plugs if no smog equipment)
Gasket Scraper
Brake Cleaner
Degreaser*
Ziploc Bags*
Masking Tape*
Marker*

*Optional

Check out www.rockauto.com for any more parts/tools you may need.

Torque Specs:

Camshaft Thrust Plate Bolts: 108-144 in. lbs (6-9 ft. lbs)
Camshaft Sprocket Bolt: 40-45 ft. lbs
Timing Cover Bolts: 12-18 ft. lbs
Water Pump Bolts: 15-21 ft. lbs
Water Pump Pulley Bolts: 15-21 ft. lbs
Harmonic Balancer: 70-90 ft. lbs
Crankshaft Pulley Bolts: 35-50 ft. lbs
Cylinder Head Bolts: 70 ft. lbs for Aluminum Heads*
Rocker Studs: 60 ft. lbs
Exhaust Manifold/Header Bolts: 26-32 ft. lbs
Valve Cover Bolts: 3-5 ft. lbs
Rocker Arm Fulcrum Bolts (Pedestal Mounted): 18-25 ft. lbs
Lower Intake Manifold Bolts: 23-25 ft. lbs**
Thermostat Housing: 12-18 ft. lbs
Upper Intake Bolts: 10-12 ft. lbs

*Read head bolt instructions and torque in stages
**Retorque in tightening sequence after a couple heat cycles


They are a good bang for the buck package.
 

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Putting one on my car right now and doing a write up of the whole thing.

Here's the link... http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3538994/tm.htm

The engine build up begins on page 8.
 

iLkYsPoNy

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I have it on my car now, I love it. Really makes a difference. I went with 24lb injectors and a 90mm MAF. REALLY REALLY wish I would've went with 30lbs though, there is so much more in this combo if I had bigger injectors. I opted for the Stage2 cam instead of the Stage1 it comes with, only like $30 more if done at the point of sale (Summit helps). I'm putting down 310rwhp and 312rwtrq with a moderate tune. It's a lovely setup, but yes definetly listen to the recommended parts list, especially if the engine has never been taken apart. I went with a new water pump while I was in there, same with the t-stat.
 

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I want this kit soooo bad...
 

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capri debris said:
Putting one on my car right now and doing a write up of the whole thing.

Here's the link... http://www.mustangforums.com/m_3538994/tm.htm

The engine build up begins on page 8.
Click to expand...

Nice work!
 
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iLkYsPoNy said:
I have it on my car now, I love it. Really makes a difference. I went with 24lb injectors and a 90mm MAF. REALLY REALLY wish I would've went with 30lbs though, there is so much more in this combo if I had bigger injectors. I opted for the Stage2 cam instead of the Stage1 it comes with, only like $30 more if done at the point of sale (Summit helps). I'm putting down 310rwhp and 312rwtrq with a moderate tune. It's a lovely setup, but yes definetly listen to the recommended parts list, especially if the engine has never been taken apart. I went with a new water pump while I was in there, same with the t-stat.
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Your maxing your 24lb fuel injectors out with 310rwhp? Why would you need 30's?
 

iLkYsPoNy

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Yeah, according to my engine tuner and the data I was viewing, I get very lean at about 5300 rpm. This is still with the injector pulse width (?) maxed or close to maxing out. The fuel pressure was and remains at 39-42psi. The tuner said if I had gone to atleast 30's I could play around more in the 5300-6150rpm range because with the Stage2 I'm still making good power into 6k range.
 

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iLkYsPoNy said:
Yeah, according to my engine tuner and the data I was viewing, I get very lean at about 5300 rpm. This is still with the injector pulse width (?) maxed or close to maxing out. The fuel pressure was and remains at 39-42psi. The tuner said if I had gone to atleast 30's I could play around more in the 5300-6150rpm range because with the Stage2 I'm still making good power into 6k range.
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You have an upgraded fuel pump right?
 

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arent 24lb injectors good to 400hp?
 

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Killercanary was at 82% duty cycle with 24 lb injectors and 356 rwhp on his stroker.
 

iLkYsPoNy

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Thats odd.... I don't know what the problem is then? Yeah it's got a 255lph and an adjustable FPR
 

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i am probably gonna go w/ the track heat top end kit, the only thing that i am scared of is the cam, i heard the tfs stage 1 is a pretty weak cam?
 

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Screw the Stage1... opt for the Stage2. Little bit higher of a rpm band but the idle sounds awesome. Just watch for piston to valve clearance if you go with it..
 

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Personal preference here:

Trickflow Stage 1 for daily driver.

Trickflow Stage 2 for street or weekend car.
 

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the kit is too much for me, so im piecing it together. instead of the stage 1 cam i think im just going to get a custom one though
 
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One thing that you should get that the kit doens't include is new lifters. Other than that, It is complete.
kevin
 

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The kit does not include a lot of things

Injectors, Fuel Pump, and all the odds and ends to remove and install it.

If your lifters are in good shape, you can reuse them with that camshaft.
 
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