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Exhaust What Headers?

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matts_21

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Well looking at buying mac longtubes and h pipe do you have to remove steering for this install and if so would kooks be an easier install ?
 

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There is no easy LTH install for our cars. They are murder. Plan on 8-12 hours if you're doing it yourself on your back. Using a lift and raising the motor has saved folks some knuckle busting, but it's not much faster. Of course an extra set of hands will help will speed you along.

I installed American Racing Headers and their fitment was absolutely perfect. Kooks is an excellent choice too. Nonetheless, some of those bolts are nearly impossible to get to. If I did it again, I think I'd drop the whole motor out the bottom.

But the sound and the gain for boosted motors makes it worth it.
 

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With the right tools and equipment the entire exhaust system can be changed out from stock to long tubes, h/x pipe and axle back in about 4 hours. Of course I am a trained professional
 

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American Racing Headers IMHO and experience is the way to go!! We sell at 5% off list FREE ground. If you have any Q's contact sales@spartaperformance.com
 

GoneFord

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Bullitt347 said:
With the right tools and equipment the entire exhaust system can be changed out from stock to long tubes, h/x pipe and axle back in about 4 hours. Of course I am a trained professional
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I don't mean to throw stones, but I don't see how anyone can accomplish an in car LTH install in 4 hours. I called American Racing Headers and asked them if the job takes as long as it did me or if I was just slow. They said LTH install usually takes them 6-8 hours - and I know they're professionals. Air tools and a lift will certainly help, but cutting the time in half? Just installing a grade 8 header bolt over the motor mount on the driver's side was a 1-click at a time ratchet exercise from purgatory using two swivels and a 2" extension. Then again, maybe you move like Flash Gordon...<G>
 

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I don't mean to throw stones, but I don't see how anyone can accomplish an in car LTH install in 4 hours. I called American Racing Headers and asked them if the job takes as long as it did me or if I was just slow. They said LTH install usually takes them 6-8 hours - and I know they're professionals. Air tools and a lift will certainly help, but cutting the time in half? Just installing a grade 8 header bolt over the motor mount on the driver's side was a 1-click at a time ratchet exercise from purgatory using two swivels and a 2" extension. Then again, maybe you move like Flash Gordon...<G>
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Listen, I have been working on cars for a living for over 30 years. I have over $100k invested in tools and equipment. I have extensive knowledge of Ford Mustangs. I have installed a complete exhaust system in an 08 GT in just over 4 hours. Yes the car was on a lift, yes I have power/air tools, yes I know a few shortcuts to getting the job done, and yes they were American Racing long tube headers. You know if you take out the battery, and air filter assembly/inlet tube, and drop the K-member down out of the way, the long tubes go in quite easily. If you are not familiar with K-member removal, then the job can get much harder/longer. The point is that this job can be done in that time. Can the average "Joe" do it that fast? Not a chance. I did say I was a "trained professional". BTW I have also installed the Brenspeed Detroit Rockers camshafts into a 08 Bullitt Mustang in only 2.5 hrs. Another very easy job to do with the right tools and equipment.
 

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So there!
 

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Well, my intake isn't a factor (rerouted for my KB), my battery is in the trunk but I didn't try dropping the K-member, removing motor mounts (which are really what's in the way with regard to the passenger side) and don't have a collection of air tools. So if that's what it takes, I'm glad you could do it. I'm glad I won't have to do it again.
 

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If you are dropping the K-member, then the engine mounts are obviously not going to be in the way, and thus everything is right out in the open. Also with K-member out of the way, the front wheels and tires are not there to bother you. For me at 6'4", I need all of the room I can get to maneuver!
 

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I guess; wouldn't want to have your paws in those cramped spaces.

My next project is the front suspension - K-member, A-arms, X-brace and radiator support. I'll get a clearer understanding of your approach then. Thanks for the exchange. I'm sure your advice will be helpful to others.
 
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Design of the Mac's (which I have) required the steering linkage be disconnected and the engine hoisted a few inches to make it easier.

Great article here on the leading brands of headers. Note that Mac's performed the best with the S/C mule: http://www.mustang50magazine.com/techarticles/m5lp_0904_s197_ford_mustang_headers/viewall.html
 
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