Whats wrong w/ this picture?

Prime Lord · Oct 20, 2007

I ordered a stage 1 CCW water pump from Stewart Components. Upon install, guess what I found.

That gasket fits my timing chain cover PERFECTLY....did they send me the wrong pump? What does that pump fit?

It bolts up, all the holes are right (as you can see) but it will NOT hold fluid. (yeah, I tried)

frcefedlx · Oct 20, 2007

Its not for a 94/95 is it? I know my Cobra water pump was different than the one on my 93

PUNISHER RACING · Oct 21, 2007

Holy Perma-Spum Batman that water pump looks right did they give you any other gaskets with it. The gasket is wrong the water jacket ports don't even line up. What is the part #

samickguy15 · Oct 21, 2007

It looks to me like your gasket should be flipped on the pump. Then the ports should line up. I would assume the bolts would too. I would re-examine everything. I would also verify that it's for the correct year.

Prime Lord · Oct 21, 2007

Well...the gasket they supplied matches the water pump. I wasn't paying attention the 1st time I installed it and just bolted it up. When I started to fill the radiator, it leaked like a Niagra Falls. So I thought maybe I just missed something. I went to AutoZone, bought a new set of gaskets (pump to plate, & plate to block), and took it back off. Well, the pump to plate gasket was fine. No issues there. However, when I laid the new plate to block gasket on there, I found that. Like I said, that gasket is right when I put it up on the timing chain cover.....and I'm guessing the reason it was leaking is that there was no effective seal around the water jackets....ya know....because they're not the same.

Now, this is what I ordered, part 16173, CCW rotation for serpentine belt, 86-93.

Does anybody know what Ford v8 has the same bolt pattern on the water pump but has the water jackets facing the other way? I'm thinking they sent me the wrong pump, or the wrong plate.

samickguy15 said:
It looks to me like your gasket should be flipped on the pump. Then the ports should line up. I would assume the bolts would too. I would re-examine everything. I would also verify that it's for the correct year.

I tried flipping it every which way I could. Whenever I move ANYTHING, the bolt holes don't line up anymore. Not on the gasket, or on the plate. Also notice the two bolts that hold the plate to the pump....on the gasket, one of them is perfectly curving to the bolt, the left one is about 3/4" away from the bolt. Something is awry in waterpump town.

SuperStang83 · Oct 21, 2007

Wow, it almost looks like you had the gasket on backwards. Hopefully they straighten it out for you.

Prime Lord · Oct 21, 2007

Thats just it, if I flip the gasket around, I can get one of the water jackets to line up, but NOTHING else does.

dgollem · Oct 21, 2007

If you hold the water pump up to the timing chain cover will the water passages line up? If not, there is something wrong with the pump.

You say the current gasket you have matches up to the timing chain cover but sits on the water pump as pictured, which is definitly not going to work. Any chance you put the plate on backward on the water pump? You may be able to make a gasket but if those water passage don't line up you will have problems.

Also (I know its simple) do you have the old water pump you took off to compare too. If the old pump is the same as the new one then its a gasket issue if its different then its the pump.

Good Luck

Prime Lord · Oct 21, 2007

yeah, pretty sure the old water pump is long gone. heh. but its not possible to put the plate on the other way for the same reason its not possible to flip the gasket around. Nothing lines up. So I'm in agreement that its the pump thats wrong.

No, the passages don't line up from the pump to the timing cover. Thats where I noticed the difference. So I guess its back to Stewart Components to figgure out what the crap happened. Thx dudes.

jerryD · Oct 21, 2007

ford came out with two backing plates, and two different timing cover water inlet/outlets. why, i don't know. maybe it was cause of reverse and standard rotation pump or because of the truck 302/351's. this is not including the revision for oil dipstick or fuel pump boss.

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bill302 · Oct 21, 2007

you have the wrong gasket you need felpro part #35397 you have the felpro 35211 gasket on it now but it is wrong click on link....
http://www.autozone.com/Ntt,35397/shopping/allResults.htm

Prime Lord · Oct 21, 2007

Thats just it. That gasket that I pictured is the one that mates to my timing cover. Based on the pictures that JerryD posted, this is my timing chain cover:
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The right hand port is angled down and the left hand port is up and I have the 3 holes around each port.

This cover:
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is what would fit the pump I have. Notice the two holes around the ports and they are facing the wrong direction.

Now, when I went to AutoZone and asked for the gaskets for an 87 Mustang 5.0 they gave me the one that fits my timing cover. Just not the pump....so the pump is wrong.

Thx for posting that Jerry, that clears EVERYTHING up.....on my end at least. Now I definitely have to get w/ Stewart Components and clear this up.

SuperStang83 · Oct 21, 2007

Good lookin out Jerry. I didn't know that there were two different ones.

Prime Lord · Oct 22, 2007

Just got off the phone w/ Stewart Components. Turns out they have 2 different backing plates for the water pump because of the difference in those timing chain covers. Basically, the guy told me that they used to send both....but hardly anybody needs the other one...so....they only send one. If you need the other one, call them and they'll send it to you free.

So.....thats taken care of then.

samickguy15 · Oct 22, 2007

Superb. Clears that one up.

bill302 · Oct 22, 2007

bill302 said:
you have the wrong gasket you need felpro part #35397 you have the felpro 35211 gasket on it now but it is wrong click on link....
http://www.autozone.com/Ntt,35397/shopping/allResults.htm

read my post above the gasket you need is felpro part #35397 it costs $1.50 at autozone ill post a picture of both gaskets below the only difference is the coolant ports....

Prime Lord · Oct 22, 2007

okay....but....the backing plate on the pump had one configuration, my timing cover has another. Thats the real problem here.

bill302 · Oct 22, 2007

ok so they sent you the wrong pump?

jerryD · Oct 22, 2007

just the wrong backing plate i believe.

Georgie · Oct 22, 2007

same **** happend to me...i oedered a stock replacement water pump from LRS and they sent me a ford gasket..turn out to be just like yours ; the wrong one

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