Windsor Blueprints or Computer Models?

soylentgreen

soylentgreen

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#1
I'm wondering...does anyone know of a place to get blueprints for the Windsor motor? How about NX (Unigraphics) 3D models? This would be something interesting to look at. I'd be happy to share whatever I find with anyone who wants it.

I have access to NX at my workplace...and also ANSYS analysis software. If I had 3D models (or drawings to generate the models from), I could calculate stresses, compare the strength of various parts (connecting rods, cranks, etc) and do intake, exhaust, and combustion chamber air flow.

Does this kind of thing sound interesting? I'd appreciate any help you can give me with this "hobby".

I can convert IGS, CADAM, STEP, and AUTOCAD files.

Thanks!
 
#2
I am not familiar with Unigraphics, I have used Pro-E, CATIA V5, and CADKEY. Just modeling the rotating assy accurately enough to do stress analysis would take a fair amount of time. I thought about it as a school project once, but realized I didn't have the time to commit to the project.
In order to do an accurate stress analysis on the block you will need to know the dimensions of all the coolant and oil passages. These can't be measured with a pair of calipers.
I don't mean to rain on your parade, but just saying that it may be tough to find this stuff without doing it yourself.

If you find anything I would be interested in seeing it as well.

It would be nice to see flows and temps of coolant/oil/intake air as they make their way through the block.

jason
 
#3
I imagine that it would take a long time to make the model. But, I'd work on it during my lunch break. Little by little, it could get done. But, I'm hoping someone has already done the work.

I'm defintely not planning on measuring all the actual parts to make the model. No way! A set of drawings would be much better.

I just thought that perhaps someone out there has this sort of stuff. I mean, Ford isn't making the Windsor anymore, are they? So, maybe they don't have an objection to having these details out there...but you never can be sure. Anyway...I imagine this info would be very useful for producers of aftermarket equipment. Oh, well, either I'll find someone who can help, or I won't. But, as I said, if I built the models from someone's prints, I'd be willing to share the results with everyone for free.
 
#4
It may be worth calling Ford Racing for some of this info.
If you tell them it is for a school project or something they may be more willing to help.

That is about all I can think of.

Hope you have long lunch breaks. :p
I hope my joking around doesn't discourage you though. This would be an excellent learning experience. :nice: And fun too. :)


jason
 
#6
spend your lunch break eating instead?
you don't need the block to do connecting rod and crank stresses...
Also, I think the flow numbers are already calculated by running actual tests, they would be more accurate anyways
 
#7
I think it would be cool too, i have also thought of doing this as a school project as well. Let me look around and see what some of my buddies have layin around. We normally use Solid Works, Pro-E or Auto CAD.....i have heard unigraphix is really nice to use also. i'll let u know
 
#8
ninety15.0 said:
I think it would be cool too, i have also thought of doing this as a school project as well. Let me look around and see what some of my buddies have layin around. We normally use Solid Works, Pro-E or Auto CAD.....i have heard unigraphix is really nice to use also. i'll let u know
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Cool...thanks!
 
#9
89Notch said:
spend your lunch break eating instead?
you don't need the block to do connecting rod and crank stresses...
Also, I think the flow numbers are already calculated by running actual tests, they would be more accurate anyways
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I can eat and play around at the same time.

I'm not just looking for the block. I'd like to model up the whole engine.
 
#10
89Notch said:
spend your lunch break eating instead?
you don't need the block to do connecting rod and crank stresses...
Also, I think the flow numbers are already calculated by running actual tests, they would be more accurate anyways
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The major advantage to doing a CAD model of the motor would be to see how the stresses change when a minor change is made in the crank or rods (as an example).

As far as flow numbers, the same thing applies. The major advantage is that small changes (porting) could be made to the runners, and flow results could be seen. One wouldn't have to port dozens of heads trying to find the "best" port job.

I agree that simple cases like conrod and crank stress would be easier to do on paper, but if you are curious about coolant/air/oil flows then CAD models are much better than doing actual experiments. At least until a couple of design options can be narrowed in on.
 
#11
I use AutoCAD Inventor on a daily basis with 3D modeling and it should be able to do what you want. Actually some of my tutorial files are pistons, rods and cranks.

Unigraphics is powerful but if you are running Pro-E you already have just about the best modeling software out..use it!

I drew a Holley SysteMAX II upper in AutoCAD's Mechnical Desktop a few years back, that was a challenge back them with inventor it would be much much easier.

If you get a .igs, .iges, .prt., .stp or other file let me know I'd be interested in that as well.
 
#12
Interested as well. I recomend Pro-E as well, it may be one of the more complicated 3-d modling programs used in the industry, but it is one of the more powerfull ones. What version of Pro-E do you have? I use Pro-E at work, so if oyu need any help let me know.
 
#14
Rick 91GT said:
Anyone have a cough "copy" cough of Pro-E?
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With the help of Google I have found some "companies" that sell "copies" of various programs. These companies are usually located overseas; Asia and Europe seem common. I have seen the following. CATIA V4 & V5, Solidworks, Pro-E, Pro-E Wildfire, AutoCad, Rhino, and several others that I didn't recognize at the time. One guy was emphatic that he could "purchase" any program that he did not already have listed.

Sorry but I don't remember the search terms I was using. I do remember it was tough to find the first "company" but after that I found several.

SolidWorks seems to be the most friendly toward students, as they sell the student versions of their software for less than $300 for 2yrs. The catch is that you have to prove that you are enrolled in the minimum number of college credits. I believe this package includes CFD and mechanical analysis tools.

I will throw out a word of caution though, if any of these companies find out that bootleg versions of their software is being used to make a company money, there could be legal hell to pay. I can't see major issues for hobby or personal use, assuming you can keep your yapper shut. :) But play at your own risk.

jason
 
#15
yea i got the solidworks student version for free (well whatever the book cost?) But i need to upgrade to 2006.Solid works is pretty powerful aswell...especially with putting assemblies together, its real quick and easy. I have the ability to get a hold of these programs ;-)...so PM me if you real interested and i can take a look around and see if i can get some of them for ya! later guys
 
#16
Yeah, I hear you there...

I just wanted a copy or a strong demo copy I could use to see how it was, I'm happy with Inventor it does everything I need at work. I get a lot of files from other companies that are exports from Pro-E, I hear how great it was just wanted to poke and play myself.
 
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