Hello Stangnet!
First time poster, long time internet lurker. I've come to a point where I felt I wanted to ask my question as I haven't been able to pin down a good confirmation through various searches on the net.
** Info **
Viper 350hv alarm (Came with car purchase, looks professionally installed)
New mini starter (Confirmed working and wired by me correctly on the starter relay)
New starter relay (Confirmed working properly installed by me)
New ignition switch (Confirmed power at switch with key in run, installed by me)
T5 Transmission
So before you grab the checklist and sling it at me, hear me out.
Car started with the key when I left work, parked at a restaurant... had dinner... go to leave... car doesn't start. Naturally, I jump the starter relay with the key on... fires up and I get her home. Let the electrical fun being... right? :-|
So I go through the checklist and start eliminating things I believe could be the cause of the no start condition with a key.
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif
1. Checked the starter works by jumping big posts (Confirmed working)
2. Checked the relay works by jumping hot big to small top post (Confirmed working)
3. Checked the alarm starter kill relay to ensure 12v across when the key is in start position. (Confirmed working)
4. Checked the clutch safety switch to ensure proper function. (Someone jumped it at the connector - Not getting 12v with key in start position)
5. Checked new ignition switch to ensure 12v when key is in start position (Confirmed working)
So this tells me I'm not getting power through the harness from the ignition switch to the clutch safety switch and that I'll find my issue there somewhere. So I started tracing the wires starting at the ignition switch and working my way through. Obviously the diagram isn't an exact replica of what wiring I have in the car due to the alarm but It's pretty easy to follow along anyhow.
So I trace the wire (Would be white/pink) from the ignition switch, through the alarm relay... down to the connector in the left kick panel (Getting 12v to this point) and from there it goes into a harness that turns towards the center of the car just under the drivers seat. This is where the confusion sets in for me in the diagram as it shows the wire going to the NSS (Neutral Safety Switch) which from all the searching I've done only applies to Auto trans vehicles. For manual trans vehicles, all I can find is that from the ignition switch it should go to the clutch safety switch then out to the starter relay top small post.
Also, another issue that is happening but I'm not finding a clear answer on is that the reverse lights are not coming on anymore when they 100% for sure worked prior to this.
So my question is this... On a manual trans
(A) does the white/pink run to the backup light switch and if so, (B) does the backup light switch play any role in disrupting the power to the starter circuit?
If the above is incorrect,
(C) does the white/pink follow the harness under the driver seat then turn back towards the front and go directly to the clutch safety switch? (Surely this isn't correct as there are only 3 wires on clutch connector that are all blue/light red. No white/pink on the connector at all)
As I'm typing this out, for a bit more clarity on this white/pink wire....out of the ignition a green (obviously not factory) wire goes to the alarm relay... out of the relay a solid white wire goes down to the left kick panel where it connects and on the other side of the connector the factory white/pink wire continues on. (Have confirmed 12v all the way to this point)
I know it's a wall of text and I apologize for a first post like this but I wanted to be as thorough and direct to the issue as possible. I'm trying to avoid having to rip out seats/carpet to follow the harness and figure out where the next point of failure might be in the circuit. I expected the wire to leave the ignition and go to the clutch but that doesn't seem to be the case. Thanks in advance!
First time poster, long time internet lurker. I've come to a point where I felt I wanted to ask my question as I haven't been able to pin down a good confirmation through various searches on the net.
** Info **
Viper 350hv alarm (Came with car purchase, looks professionally installed)
New mini starter (Confirmed working and wired by me correctly on the starter relay)
New starter relay (Confirmed working properly installed by me)
New ignition switch (Confirmed power at switch with key in run, installed by me)
T5 Transmission
So before you grab the checklist and sling it at me, hear me out.
Car started with the key when I left work, parked at a restaurant... had dinner... go to leave... car doesn't start. Naturally, I jump the starter relay with the key on... fires up and I get her home. Let the electrical fun being... right? :-|
So I go through the checklist and start eliminating things I believe could be the cause of the no start condition with a key.
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif
1. Checked the starter works by jumping big posts (Confirmed working)
2. Checked the relay works by jumping hot big to small top post (Confirmed working)
3. Checked the alarm starter kill relay to ensure 12v across when the key is in start position. (Confirmed working)
4. Checked the clutch safety switch to ensure proper function. (Someone jumped it at the connector - Not getting 12v with key in start position)
5. Checked new ignition switch to ensure 12v when key is in start position (Confirmed working)
So this tells me I'm not getting power through the harness from the ignition switch to the clutch safety switch and that I'll find my issue there somewhere. So I started tracing the wires starting at the ignition switch and working my way through. Obviously the diagram isn't an exact replica of what wiring I have in the car due to the alarm but It's pretty easy to follow along anyhow.
So I trace the wire (Would be white/pink) from the ignition switch, through the alarm relay... down to the connector in the left kick panel (Getting 12v to this point) and from there it goes into a harness that turns towards the center of the car just under the drivers seat. This is where the confusion sets in for me in the diagram as it shows the wire going to the NSS (Neutral Safety Switch) which from all the searching I've done only applies to Auto trans vehicles. For manual trans vehicles, all I can find is that from the ignition switch it should go to the clutch safety switch then out to the starter relay top small post.
Also, another issue that is happening but I'm not finding a clear answer on is that the reverse lights are not coming on anymore when they 100% for sure worked prior to this.
So my question is this... On a manual trans
(A) does the white/pink run to the backup light switch and if so, (B) does the backup light switch play any role in disrupting the power to the starter circuit?
If the above is incorrect,
(C) does the white/pink follow the harness under the driver seat then turn back towards the front and go directly to the clutch safety switch? (Surely this isn't correct as there are only 3 wires on clutch connector that are all blue/light red. No white/pink on the connector at all)
As I'm typing this out, for a bit more clarity on this white/pink wire....out of the ignition a green (obviously not factory) wire goes to the alarm relay... out of the relay a solid white wire goes down to the left kick panel where it connects and on the other side of the connector the factory white/pink wire continues on. (Have confirmed 12v all the way to this point)
I know it's a wall of text and I apologize for a first post like this but I wanted to be as thorough and direct to the issue as possible. I'm trying to avoid having to rip out seats/carpet to follow the harness and figure out where the next point of failure might be in the circuit. I expected the wire to leave the ignition and go to the clutch but that doesn't seem to be the case. Thanks in advance!