Should I Worry About This? Or am I making a Big Deal about Nothing?

RED2001GT

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Mar 18, 2003
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I own a 2002 V6 Mustang. My Mustang got hit in November on it's front and rear bumper.
The damage that was done to the front bumper was a crease in the top part of the bumper located just next to the grill and some deep gouges in the plastic next to the license plate. The top of the front bumper was also pushed in about 1" to 2" inches just underneath the hood in the area just next to the grill. The damage to the rear bumper was just a minor scratch. I ended up paying to get both bumpers fixed in December just before Christmas without involving my insurance company because the damage was caused by a hit and run and also because the total amount to fix the damage was $142 over my deductible.

Anyways, the bodyshop took off both bumpers to do all the repairs correctly. They repaired the crease on the top front part of the bumper by using heat and filler on it. They also used filler to repair the deep gouges that were present next to the license plate area. Then I think they sanded down the bumper and repainted it. The rear bumper was also sanded down and repainted also.
The bodyshop also had to straighten out one of the shock absorbers that's located behind the front bumper bar because when my car was hit, the top front part of the bumper just under the hood next to the grill area was pushed in a little bit about 1" inch to 2" inches. The radiator support and the frame were NOT bent, pushed in or damaged in any way. ONLY the bumper's shock absorber on the passenger side was pushed in a few inches and the bodyshop straightened it out again.

When the bodyshop finished the work and put everything back together again, there was a problem. The passenger side headlight unit had a gap between the front pointed part of the front fender and the top part of the headlight unit. The gap was not there at the time when I took my Mustang to be fixed at the bodyshop and the bodyshop knows this.

The bodyshop did their best and tried to make adjustments to fix this gap, but they were unsuccessful. No matter what they did to adjust the headlight unit, the gap was still present. I think that the gap was caused by the pulling adjustment that the bodyshop made to pull out the passenger side bumper's shock absorber. This might be the reason why there was a gap between the headlight unit and the front pointed part of the front fender. Maybe something is out of wack causing the gap. The bodyshop told me that they measured everything correctly when they pulled out the bumper's shock absorber. If this is so, then WHY is the gap present? The bodyshop did the pulling adjustment measurements with a tape measure by hand. They are a small bodyshop and they do not have the huge laser frame machines that the larger bodyshops have. Their frame machine looks like a hydraulic lift jack which you chain to the floor of the bodyshop for support and then connect another chain from the jack to the frame of the car. The long steel lever on the hydraulic jack is pulled by hand to straighten out the frame on a car. The bodyshop owner told me that the frame on my car was not bent or damaged in any way to begin with. Because of this, the frame of my Mustang didn't need to be straightened out. I am not 100% sure about this, but I think that they only used the frame machine to pull out the bumper's shock absorber on the passenger side because it was pushed in about 2" inches from the hit and run accident.

Anyways, while the bodyshop tried to fix the gap, they ended up scratching the top of the bumper just in front of the passenger headlight unit while they tried to pull out the headlight unit. When this happened, the bodyshop had to repaint part of the front bumper again. They didn't want to take off the bumper to do this repair because it was too time consuming. They said that it was not necessary to take off the front bumper to repaint a small area. So instead, they taped off the area around the passenger headlight and they repainted/resprayed over again the small scratched area on the top part of the bumper located in front of the headlight unit and also a small area on the front part of the bumper and the entire bottom part of the air dam and around and inside the 2 fog light sockets. After the repaint/respray, there was no overspray present, but there was a lot of orange peel located around and inside the air dam and also inside and around the fog light sockets on the bottom part of the bumper. The bodyshop used a wet sander and buffer to get the orange peel off. The orange peel came off ONLY wherever the wet sander and buffer could reach. The wet sander and buffer couldn't get into the tight areas inside the air dam and inside the fog light sockets. Because of this, there is still orange peel inside of the air dam and on the inside of the fog light sockets. You can see the orange peel only when you stand close to the front bumper only when the sun directly hits the front bumper.

I would like to know if there is any way to get the orange peel off in these tight areas? The bodyshop told me that it's not very noticeable and that I should leave it alone. They also told me that a wet sander and a buffer cannot reach inside the tight areas inside the air dam and the fog light sockets to wet sand and buff out the orange peel. It's been almost 2 months now since the bodywork was done. The orange peel on my Mustang doesn't look that bad, but it is noticeable inside the air dam and inside both fog light sockets when the sun shines directly on the area of the orange peel. Should I have any concern or worry about the orange peel? Or should I just leave it alone? The paintwork on the front bumper looks very nice other than me noticing that there is orange peel on the bottom part of the bumper when the sun shines on it. Do you think that I should leave the bumper alone with the orange peel on it?

And what about the gap between the top part of the passenger side headlight unit and the front pointed part of the front fender? The gap is about a few millimeters wide and no more than 3 inches in length and it's only noticeable when you are standing within a few feet in front of the car. The bodyshop told me that there is nothing more that they can do to fix the gap problem and that I need to live with it. They don't know what caused the gap and how to fix it.

Do you think that I should just take it easy and not worry about the orange peel and the gap problem and that I should just enjoy and drive my Mustang? I currently don't have the money to sink into this car in order to take it to a bodyshop and have them take off the front bumper and do a complete repaint on the bumper. I beleive that this will be only a waste of money. It's kind of hard for me to get used to the fact that my Mustang has a gap between one of the headlight units and the fender and that it also has orange peel inside the air dam and inside the fog light sockets. Especially after getting my car repaired from a reputable bodyshop. I want to try to learn to accept these "flaws" that currently exist on my Mustang, but I am having a hard time doing so.
Should I just leave the orange peel alone and accept the headlight unit/fender gap problem?
 
My advice, and I'm sure this will sound bad, but here goes.

If you're truely that concerned about those kind of imperfections, then just replace (not repair) the bumpers at a different and more reputable bodyshop.
 
My advice, and I'm sure this will sound bad, but here goes.

If you're truely that concerned about those kind of imperfections, then just replace (not repair) the bumpers at a different and more reputable bodyshop.
This has crossed my mind, but I cannot afford to spend any money right now for another front bumper and for paintwork. I also cannot afford to spend any money to have a bodyshop take off the existing bumper and sand it down and repaint it. Overall, the paintwork on the front bumper looks nice, but the only noticeable flaw is the orange peel that's located along the bottom part of the bumper inside the air dam and inside the fog light sockets. That's the ONLY area where the wet sander and the buffer couldn't get into to take off the orange peel. And the bodyshop owner told me that if the wet sander and buffer were to be used in these tight crevices that the paint would burn off because of the uneven and curved surfaces. This really $ucks because all that's needed right now in order to get the orange peel off from inside the air dam and fog light sockets is a good wet sanding and buffing. Then the paint will have a nice "smooth and glossy" look to it just like the rest of the front bumper. There's currently no wet sander and buffer available that will fit inside the air dam and fog light sockets to get the orange peel off without burning the paint. All the wet sanders and buffers that are currently being used by bodyshops right now are big and they can only do large flat and curved surfaces, but they are not made for small confined spaces like inside air dams and fog light sockets. And there is no way that orange peel can be taken off by hand. You need a wet sanding machine and a buffing machine to do the job the right way.
 
i have a front bumper ill sell you. oh and btw, i have that same headlight gap..its just around the rubber seal around the headlights and if you push the rubber seal back its not noticeable, so im going to try to fix it somehow..
 
you are wasting your time. not worth the effort to get the little orange peel out of there. do you have pics? from the sounds of it, its just normal. but with pics, we could tell you if it is excessive orange peel/dry spray.

i bet i could walk around your car and find more problems than a little orange peel. its the nature of the beast. no daily driver or production paint job is perfect. i think you are asking too much for them to remove it from that area.

as far as the headlight, its too hard to tell without pics. before and after would be great. i cant imagine that they could not align the headlight, especially if it was ok from the start. it could be that they broke your light, and put in a crappy aftermarket one without telling you, causing the improper fit.
 
I wouldn't even worry about the orange peel. You will probably get your front bumper repainted in 6 months anyways after it gets all chipped up from rocks and bugs.
 
i have a front bumper ill sell you. oh and btw, i have that same headlight gap..its just around the rubber seal around the headlights and if you push the rubber seal back its not noticeable, so im going to try to fix it somehow..

The headlight assembly is the factory original one. The black rubber seal is part of the headlight assembly and I don't think that it is able to be pushed back or pulled upwards. The gap that I am describing here is located above the black rubber seal between the rubber seal and the front pointed part of the fender.
I would think that if the black rubber seal on the headlight unit was pulled upwards towards the gap to fill in the gap, there would be another brand new gap created between the black rubber seal and the headlight unit. The reason why I am saying this is because the black rubber seal on the headlight unit is now completely flush with the headlight lens.

And as for me buying another bumper, I will still need to pay the bodyshop to sand and paint the new bumper and for them to take off my old bumper and for the installation of the new bumper. It's not worth it. I don't want to spend anymore money for more bodywork. I already am over $700 in the hole for all the bodywork that was originally done to both bumpers from the hit and run.
 
you are wasting your time. not worth the effort to get the little orange peel out of there. do you have pics? from the sounds of it, its just normal. but with pics, we could tell you if it is excessive orange peel/dry spray.


as far as the headlight, its too hard to tell without pics. before and after would be great. i cant imagine that they could not align the headlight, especially if it was ok from the start. it could be that they broke your light, and put in a crappy aftermarket one without telling you, causing the improper fit.
I don't think that it's worth spending the money to repaint the whole front bumper all over again in order to get rid of the orange peel. I already have spent over $700 for all the current bodywork that was done to my car.

Unfortunately, I don't have any before or after pictures to show you. The headlight assembly unit is the original one that came with the car from the factory. The bodyshop did not use another headlight unit.
I think that the gap exists between the headlight unit and the front pointed part of the front fender because something is out of wack and maybe misaligned behind the front bumper. This could be the only reason why the gap exists. I know that the frame and the fiberglass panel behind the headlight assembly unit is not bent, broken or cracked. The bodyshop inspected everything after they finished the work and everything behind the front bumper including the frame was very straight and in excellent shape. The bodyshop had to pull out the passenger side shock absorber that attaches to the front bumper because it was pushed in about 2" to 3" inches from the impact. They told me that they measured everything when they did this, but could it be that maybe this has something to do with the gap problem? Everything else on the front bumper fits very well. The driver's side headlight unit is nice and flush with the front pointed part of the driver's side front fender and it does not have the same gap problem that the passenger side has.
Also, both sides of the front bumper that wrap around the car which meet with the side of the front fender are nice and flush. There are not gaps there.
It's a big mystery to me and to the bodyshop as to WHY the gap exists when the bodyshop did all the work properly? We all don't know what causes this gap to appear. It's a big mystery.
 
I wouldn't even worry about the orange peel. You will probably get your front bumper repainted in 6 months anyways after it gets all chipped up from rocks and bugs.
Please don't say that. The front bumper lasted me for 5 years. But yes, you are right. It did have rock chips on it, but it still looked good because I took care of the car meticulously. If I ever have to get the bumper repainted/repaired again, I would want to replace it with a brand new bumper. And for this to happen, I need to get hit by another car and for the accident to not be my fault. Hopefully, the next time, this is what will happen and I will be able to have my insurance company pay for 100% of the repairs "without" me having to fork out the money for the deductible. I didn't go thru my insurance company when I got my Mustang fixed because the damage was done by a hit and run and I needed to come up with a total of $702 for all the repairs which also included an extra $202 out of my pocket on top of the $500 deductible. The insurance company was giving me a hard time so I told them to take a hike and I paid for all the repairs myself.
I more than likely will have to live with the orange peel and the gap problem. I wonder how many others in here have similar cosmetic imperfections on their bumpers and on the bodywork of their Mustangs just like I do from after getting their cars back from the bodyshop?
It would be good therapy to hear from you.
 
my body kit doesnt fit perfect but looks damn good. i will mess with it a bit more. i dont think the bodyshop put a 100% installing. Although the paint looks great!
 
If your bodyshop didn't put in 100% in the installation of your body kit and if you don't know anything about bodywork, I suggest that you don't touch anything. I would take it back to your bodyshop if I were you. If they cannot get the body kit to fit properly because of manufacturer defects, there's nothing that you can really do but except the way that it looks on your Mustang.
 
No i know about body work. i took autobody for 2 years in high school. i know the side scoops need to be retaped. and the driver side side skirt has to be pushed in a little. That would be it. Nothing to big. I will let you know how I do. Can't wait to get the car though. Pick up day is Wednesday! 621 horsepower HOLD ON!
 
The gap would piss me off. It sounds like the shop is admitting that something they did caused the gap. It also sounds like they tried to fix it and couldn't. See if you can go to a larger shop and ask them if they could fix that gap. If they can, see if the first shop will pay for it. It's a long shot but I'd try.
 
:nonono: Oh no! Not this thread AGAIN!?! :crapola:

What the other 3 threads you've made on this topic haven't been good enough for you?

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=673154

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=673157

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=672003


Anybody replying to this thread with advice is going to turn into a circle jerk match. He's so meticulous over the defects of his V6...yet any practical advice which requires $$ or some time on his part he won't listen to. Been there, done that on his other worthless threads about this very same topic. Forget about him providing you pictures as well, because what's the point of a picture when you can type 3 million words to tell a story?
 
:nonono: Oh no! Not this thread AGAIN!?! :crapola:

What the other 3 threads you've made on this topic haven't been good enough for you?

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=673154

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=673157

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=672003


Anybody replying to this thread with advice is going to turn into a circle jerk match. He's so meticulous over the defects of his V6...yet any practical advice which requires $$ or some time on his part he won't listen to. Been there, done that on his other worthless threads about this very same topic. Forget about him providing you pictures as well, because what's the point of a picture when you can type 3 million words to tell a story?


Please understand a few things here before you start mocking me and my posts. I am not mechanically inclined NOR do I know anything about bodywork. If I did, I wouldn't be making these posts about the gap problem and about the orange peel problem that my Mustang has. And please understand another thing here. I do NOT have the money to do any more bodywork or paintwork to my car. I am NOT a bodyshop technician therefore I am unable to do any bodywork or paintwork by myself. So PLEEEEEASE don't mock and ridicule me and tell me that I don't want to follow YOUR advice. If I had the money or the expertise, I would at least fix the orange peel problem. But I would have to deal with the gap problem which nobody knows how to fix. If I were a technician and knew how to fix the gap problem, I would do it myself. But I don't. And neither does any other bodyshop or body technician know how to fix the gap problem or what is causing the gap problem. I've already consulted 2 other bodyshops and they don't know what is causing the gap.

You are right about one thing though. I am very meticulous about my Mustang. There's nothing wrong with that. Who isn't? Everyone in here is meticulous about their Mustang. That's a very normal thing.

Another thing. I just don't like to see gaps and orange peel on my car. Especially when there were no gaps and no orange peel on it for the last 5 years that I've owned my vehicle. I have taken excellent care of my car for the last 5 years. It's hard for me to accept my Mustang in its current condition with gaps and orange peel on it after getting it repaired by a reputable bodyshop. None of the bodyshops in my area know why the gap problem exists and they do NOT know how to fix it. And as for the orange peel, that can easily be fixed if the front bumper is taken off and repainted, but I do NOT have the money for another repaint. It would be easier if there existed a special wet sander and buffer which could fit inside the air dam and fog light sockets to get the orange peel off.

So please shut up if you have nothing nice to contribute in this thread.
 
I am going to try to live with the headlight gap issue and with the orange peel issue. It's not worth it to spend more money trying to correct and fix these things. I am better off by just leaving everything alone.
 
How many times can you restate the problem? We understand the "orange peel" and "gap" issues. Try your best to resolve them or just live with it. Every other sentence states these concerns. Hope you get it taken care of.
 
I'm just going to have to live with the gap and orange peel problem. My Mustang looks nice even with the gap and the orange peel. I am going to wait until someone rams into the front of my car in order to get these problems fixed. That way, they can be fixed for free with a brand new front bumper and a brand new header panel and headlight units.:D