Horrid Gas Mileage

Skoobie

Damn...Tyler65's hot!
May 25, 2003
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Well I finally started to drive my car again after months of sitting at my buddies place. We pulled the upper and lower intake for a gasket change and I also repaired a vac leak at the IAC valve. Well my car has always run rich but after we got done messing with the car I am getting horrible gas mileage. I had 3/4 of a tank before I started to drive it and after 5 trips in the car (All less than 10 miles) its down to almost 1/3 of a tanks :mad: When I first start driving I also get a small pop (backfire?) from the exhaust and hesitation. The popping goes away after it happens once or twice. My idle quality also is sucking still. It shutters and stumbles, then will smooth out, then shutter and stumble, sounds like the freak'in bottom of the motor wants to come apart sometimes (at idle). WTF is going on :fuss: I just want this thing to run right before the weather starting getting nice. What are some causes of (really) bad gas mileage? Where should I start my hunt? :shrug: On a side note my smog has been deleted. When we pulled the intakes we noticed that the smog ports in the heads had been blocked with gasket material. When I looked at the lower intake (GT-40) those ports were non-existant (there is an indent in the intake where the passage may have gone but its caste over). We pulled the small gaskets off the head and just put high-temp RTV around each port and the new gasket. I don't see how but this is the only change we made that could have made a difference? Just additional info I guess...:(
 
First off, double check the firing, I'm assuming it is a 5.0 HO, right? If so,
1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8, double check that.

Second, spray carb cleaner around the intake, throttle body, all the vac. hoses, etc. If you have any unseen or new vacuum leaks, they will show themselves by raising the idle when you get the carb cleaner spray near them.

Third, have you checked your TP voltage? It should be about .92V-.98V, in other words, not above 1.0V at idle.

Fourth, I doubt this has happened, but it may have jumped time if it is an older, higher mileage timing set.

Fifth, have you checked for codes? If so, are there any?

Sixth, the little salt & pepper-shaker looking connecthrs at the back of the intake, pull the connectors apart and chevk for corrosion. It would be a good idea to tighten the terminals on both ends and spray a little Electro-motive, or any electric part cleaner in the connectors. Then put a little electric connector grease on them, and reconnect them them. For mor info on this go to fordmuscle.com and go to the tech dept. and then other and scroll to the bottom. This site may have the same thing, but I know for sure the fordmuscle site does. Trust me, I converted a '73 Merc to EFI and I had a rolling idle and surge and such, then I read and did this and it fixed it.

Well, good luck, and I hope it is something so stupidly-simple it isn't even funny, Chris.
 
The firing order is correct
Im 95% sure I caught the vac leaks
TPS is at .98v
The timing is set to 14-15
I JUST bought a code reader, havent had a chance to check it. I will post codes soon (I know for sure I have a few, Smog related stuff, possibly AC, its been deleted as well)
The salt and pepper shaker is interesting though. What does it control exactly? Some time ago I did a low pressure wash of my engine bay. After I washed it the next day my battery was dead. I charged it and that night noticed that all my interior lights were on (all but my map light). I could not or the life of me get them to turn off so I just pulled the bulbs to stop the power drain. Could I have shorted something out that is also effecting my idle/fuel problem? :shrug: What is the official name for that connector in case I need to replace it? I did check it last summer and didnt notice any corrosion. I also put in some electrical gel to see if that helped. Didnt notice any difference though. :notnice:
 
Just FYI, if you haven't opened the code reader yet, you can check the codes with out it. Granted you have a check engine light and it isn't burned out, you can ground the small, single wire that is with the larger trapezoid looking OBD I connector. It is on the driver's side, by the MC, all you need to do is get an alligator clip, and a 2 foot piece of wire, and a male spade connector, put it all together (geez, starting to sound like a "lost episode" of MacGyver) and ground it to the battery. Get in the car with a piece of paper and a pen, then cycle the key to run, then it will flash the codes. If you have any, go to fordfuelinjection.com and see what they mean. Just a cheap alternative to an expensive reader.
 
My car did almost the same thing when thermostat was not closing enough to let the engine warm up to temp. It would stay in cold loop and keep dumping in fuel. Is the engine getting to full temp?
 
Ok this one's for jrichker. I pulled the codes...
KOEO: 34, 34, 41, 66, 91 KOER: 41, 91, 34

In that order.

My book says a most of those codes point to a lean condition....but my car is getting crap mileage and it smells pig rich. Although Im running an O/R pipe with no smog....hrm.... :(


God its been running this was for quite a while...my valve trains clicking like crazy too...I hope I didnt screw my motor up. The weird thing is my fuel pressure is fine. Right around 38-40 psi.
 
Code 34 Or 334 - EGR voltage above closed limit - Failed sensor, carbon between EGR pintle valve and seat holding the valve off its seat. Remove the EGR valve and clean it with carbon remover. Prior to re-installing see if you can blow air through the flange side of the EGR by mouth. If it leaks, there is carbon stuck on the pintle valve seat, replace the EGR valve ($85-$95).

If the blow by test passes, and you have replaced the sensor, then you have electrical ground problems. Check the resistance between the black/white wire on the MAP/BARO sensor and then the black/white wire on the EGR and the same wire on the TPS. It should be less than 1.5 ohm. Next check the resistance between the black/white wire and the negative battery post. It should be less than 1.5 ohm.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter.

Let’s put on our Inspector Gadget propeller head beanies and think about how this works:
The EGR sensor is a variable resistor with ground on one leg and Vref (5 volts) on the other. Its’ resistance ranges from 4000 to 5500 Ohms measured between Vref & ground, depending on the sensor. The center connection of the variable resistor is the slider that moves in response to the amount of vacuum applied. The slider has some minimum value of resistance greater than 100 ohms so that the computer always sees a voltage present at its’ input. If the value was 0 ohms, there would be no voltage output. Then the computer would not be able to distinguish between a properly functioning sensor and one that had a broken wire or bad connection. The EGR I have in hand reads 700 Ohms between the slider (EPV) and ground (SIG RTN) at rest with no vacuum applied. The EGR valve or sensor may cause the voltage to be above closed limits due to the manufacturing tolerances that cause the EGR sensor to rest at a higher position than it should.

This will affect idle quality by diluting the intake air charge

Code 41 or 91 - O2 indicates system lean. Look for a vacuum leak or failing O2 sensor.

The computer sees a lean mixture signal coming from the O2 sensors and tries to compensate by adding more fuel. Many times the end result is an engine that runs pig rich and stinks of unburned fuel.

The following is a Quote from Charles O. Probst, Ford fuel Injection & Electronic Engine control:
"When the mixture is lean, the exhaust gas has oxygen, about the same amount as the ambient air. So the sensor will generate less than 400 Millivolts. Remember lean = less voltage.

When the mixture is rich, there's less oxygen in the exhaust than in the ambient air , so voltage is generated between the two sides of the tip. The voltage is greater than 600 millivolts. Remember rich = more voltage.

Here's a tip: the newer the sensor, the more the voltage changes, swinging from as low as 0.1 volt to as much as 0.9 volt. As an oxygen sensor ages, the voltage changes get smaller and slower - the voltage change lags behind the change in exhaust gas oxygen.

Because the oxygen sensor generates its own voltage, never apply voltage and never measure resistance of the sensor circuit. To measure voltage signals, use an analog voltmeter with a high input impedance, at least 10 megohms. Remember, a digital voltmeter will average a changing voltage." End Quote

Testing the O2 sensors
Measuring the O2 sensor voltage at the computer will give you a good idea of how well they are working. You'll have to pull the passenger side kick panel off to gain access to the computer connector. Remove the plastic wiring cover to get to the back side of the wiring. Use a safety pin or paper clip to probe the connections from the rear. The computer pins are 29 (LH O2 with a dark green/pink wire) and 43 (RH O2 with a dark blue/pink wire). Use the ground next to the computer to ground the voltmeter.

Testing the O2 sensor wiring harness
Most of the common multimeters have a resistance scale. Be sure the O2 sensors are disconnected and measure the resistance from the O2 sensor body harness to the pins on the computer.

Note that all resistance tests must be done with power off. Measuring resistance with a circuit powered on will give false readings and possibly damage the meter. Do not attempt to measure the resistance of the O2 sensors, it may damage them.

The O2 sensor ground (orange wire with a ring terminal on it) is in the wiring harness for the fuel injection wiring. I grounded mine to one of the intake manifold bolts

Code 66 MAF below minimum test voltage.
Insufficient or no voltage from MAF. Dirty MAF element, bad MAF, bad MAF wiring, missing power to MAF. Check for missing +12 volts on this circuit. Check the two links for a wiring diagram to help you find the red wire for computer power relay switched +12 volts. Check for 12 volts between the red and black wires on the MAF heater (usually pins A & B). while the connector is plugged into the MAF. This may require the use of a couple of safety pins to probe the MAF connector from the back side of it.

There are three parts in a MAF: the heater, the sensor element and the amplifier. The heater heats the MAF sensor element causing the resistance to increase. The amplifier buffers the MAF output signal and has a resistor that is laser trimmed to provide an output range compatible with the computer's load tables.

The MAF element is secured by 2 screws & has 1 wiring connector. To clean the element, remove it from the MAF housing and spray it down with electronic parts cleaner or non-inflammable brake parts cleaner (same stuff in a bigger can and cheaper too).

The MAF output varies with RPM which causes the airflow to increase or decease. The increase of air across the MAF sensor element causes it to cool, allowing more voltage to pass and telling the computer to increase the fuel flow. A decrease in airflow causes the MAF sensor element to get warmer, decreasing the voltage and reducing the fuel flow. Measure the MAF output at pins C & D on the MAF connector (dark blue/orange and tan/light blue) or at pins 50 & 9 on the computer.

At idle = approximately .6 volt
20 MPH = approximately 1.10 volt
40 MPH = approximately 1.70 volt
60 MPH = approximately 2.10 volt

Check the resistance of the MAF signal wiring. Pin D on the MAF and pin 50 on the computer (dark blue/orange wire) should be less than 2 ohms. Pin C on the MAF and pin 9 on the computer (tan/light blue wire) should be less than 2 ohms.

There should be a minimum of 10K ohms between either pin C or D on the MAF and ground.


See the following website for some help from Tmoss (diagram designer) & Stang&2Birds (website host) for help on 88-95 wiring http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/

Ignition switch wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/IgnitionSwitchWiring.gif

Fuel pump, alternator, ignition & A/C wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/fuel-alt-links-ign-ac.gif

Computer,. actuator & sensor wiring
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/88-91_5.0_EEC_Wiring_Diagram.gif

Fuse panel layout
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/MustangFuseBox.gif

Vacuum routing
http://www.veryuseful.com/mustang/tech/engine/images/mustangFoxFordVacuumDiagram.jpg
 
ugh...so much information :eek: I printed that post out for later review :D So I would assume that since my MAF is offline that Im running in limp mode? Come to think of it I tried to unplug my MAF while the car ran just to see if I got a responce and nothing changed. I'll have to test it this weekend. As for the lean condition; I replaced both O2's and they have less than 1000 miles on them so they should be ok. Is it ok to assume since the computer is detecting a lean condidition and dumping so much fuel to compensate that I probably dont have detonation issues? To be honest I really dont know what it would sound like if it was happening. The only noise I hear thats out of the ordinary is the noisey valve train...Im hoping its just lifters :mad: "click, click, click, click, click, click, click" with the rpm's. As for the EGR it is disconnected. It is phyiscally still attached to the TB but there are no vac lines or electrical connections to it. It was that way when I purchased the car (and it ran totally fine like that with the exception of a CEL from time to time). So I dont think that is what is causing the problem.
 
Good god...I went to check out Air/Fuel handsets and they run anywhere from 200-500 bucks! :jaw: The stupid part is you can get an Air/Fuel Autometer gauge for $30...:nonono: Should I just run the car down to a shop and have the check the mixture?
 
The A/F gauges that use the O2 sensor signal will jump all over the place. The reason is that the O2 sensors "switch" between .2 volt lean and .6 volt rich with a curve that looks like the drop off a high cliff. The curve is almost straight up and down, so the voltage shoots from .2 to .6 and back down . again 2 or more times a second at cruse. You won't get much useful information except when the mixture is extremely lean or extremely rich, there is no middle ground.

To get any useful information, you need a wide band O2 sensor. Last time I looked, they started at $289 and went up from there.
 
The A/F gauges that use the O2 sensor signal will jump all over the place. The reason is that the O2 sensors "switch" between .2 volt lean and .6 volt rich with a curve that looks like the drop off a high cliff. The curve is almost straight up and down, so the voltage shoots from .2 to .6 and back down . again 2 or more times a second at cruse. You won't get much useful information except when the mixture is extremely lean or extremely rich, there is no middle ground.

To get any useful information, you need a wide band O2 sensor. Last time I looked, they started at $289 and went up from there.

So it sounds like your saying don't worry about it and just fix what I know it wrong. I guess once I get the MAF straightened out the fuel problem may fix itself. I was reading another post you made in a different thread about vac leaks. You stated that you can actually lose vacuum through your injector ports from worn or improperly seated o-rings? How much would you lose from such an obscure location? The reason I ask is before we pulled my upper/lower intake I was pulling 12-12.5hg. I checked it yesterday and it was down to 10.5...I've been told the Ecam with produce lower vac but that sounds almost too low. What do you think?
 
So it sounds like your saying don't worry about it and just fix what I know it wrong. I guess once I get the MAF straightened out the fuel problem may fix itself. I was reading another post you made in a different thread about vac leaks. You stated that you can actually lose vacuum through your injector ports from worn or improperly seated o-rings? How much would you lose from such an obscure location? The reason I ask is before we pulled my upper/lower intake I was pulling 12-12.5hg. I checked it yesterday and it was down to 10.5...I've been told the Ecam with produce lower vac but that sounds almost too low. What do you think?

Even with a wilder cam, I would expect to see 13"-15" vacuum at idle and more at 1000-1200 RPM.