So I designed a website.......

[mixedbreed02gt]

Found a local mechanic shop that was in need of newly designed website, and I was able to barter services for a gear install. I got the web page all done, so next week the Stang goes for new gears!!!!!!!! Putting in brand new 3.73's, rebuild kit, and a speed-cal. That's what I'm talking about!!!!

once he's done, he'll upload the web page files, and then I'll put a link up so you all can see it.

If I'm not working, I'll be at the shop to take pics, and I'll post those up as well. I've been dying to get my gears in!! woot!

 

[bullitt453]

Cool deal. I'm a part-time web designer myself, so I would certainly be interested in seeing the design. What language did you use? Standard HTML? PHP? Use lots of CSS? I currently code stricly in xHTML and CSS. Check out Mustangs Of Burlington for an example of some of my work.

 

[tank_567]

Cool deal. I'm a part-time web designer myself, so I would certainly be interested in seeing the design. What language did you use? Standard HTML? PHP? Use lots of CSS? I currently code stricly in xHTML and CSS. Check out Mustangs Of Burlington for an example of some of my work.

Very nice site! I do full time flash sites for my job and I do ASP and PHP. I really like XHTML and CSS. I made my brothers shop site http://www.bigwoodracing.com I did some flash and java on the site looks good.

 

[darkhorse02]

Nice to see the web designers out there.

I create web sites for a living.
thinkjuice.com

You may like this one.
Vintage mustangs

 

[bullitt453]

Nice to see the web designers out there.

I create web sites for a living.
thinkjuice.com

You may like this one.
Vintage mustangs

Nice designs. Couple things though.
1-There is no Doctype declared for either site. This means that they can not be validated though W3C. Validation is becoming increasingly important in today's web design world.
2-They are laid out using tables instead of CSS and div tags.

I am not trying to be a prick by bringing those things to your attention. I'm currently in school for Web Technologies and I am a full time MS Office Automation programmer, so I've kinda been programmed to look for stuff like that.

 

[bullitt453]

Very nice site! I do full time flash sites for my job and I do ASP and PHP. I really like XHTML and CSS. I made my brothers shop site http://www.bigwoodracing.com I did some flash and java on the site looks good.

Thanks for the compliment!!

ASP and PHP. Cool! I've tinkered in both of those languages, but not very much. I am taking a PHP class in the fall semester. I am currently taking a Flash course and hate it! Only reason I am taking it is because it is required for my degree. I'm more into the programming aspect of it all and I just haven't gotten into ActionScript enough to enjoy it.
As for the site you listed, pretty cool design. Very Web 2.0ish with all the rounded corners and reflections. It does have the same two problems as I listed in my post above though regarding the missing Doctype and table layout.

 

[tank_567]

well I'm more of a flash programmer myself. I really dont do to much of html and ASP stuff anymore. I've been doing action script 2.0 for a few years now and I have to learn 3.0 for CS3. Most of the html stuff I did in the past has been web 2.0 stuff. I used my ASP stuff to program SQL servers. OH and when I program HTML I use notepad, but @ work I DO have to W3C EVERYTHING and Dreamweaver does all that for me.

 

[lvmustanggt]

Found a local mechanic shop that was in need of newly designed website, and I was able to barter services for a gear install. I got the web page all done, so next week the Stang goes for new gears!!!!!!!! Putting in brand new 3.73's, rebuild kit, and a speed-cal. That's what I'm talking about!!!!

once he's done, he'll upload the web page files, and then I'll put a link up so you all can see it.

If I'm not working, I'll be at the shop to take pics, and I'll post those up as well. I've been dying to get my gears in!! woot!

You don't need speadcal. Just use SCT and change gears ratio .

 

[2000fordstanggt]

watch us exceed his bandwidth once you get that link up

 

[bullitt453]

well I'm more of a flash programmer myself. I really dont do to much of html and ASP stuff anymore. I've been doing action script 2.0 for a few years now and I have to learn 3.0 for CS3. Most of the html stuff I did in the past has been web 2.0 stuff. I used my ASP stuff to program SQL servers. OH and when I program HTML I use notepad, but @ work I DO have to W3C EVERYTHING and Dreamweaver does all that for me.

Ah, gotcha. I use Dreamweaver CS3 for HTML/CSS/JavaScript/etc, but I only use the code view, so it is essentially like typing in notepad. Only reason I use Dreamweaver is for it's intellisense that allows me to type the first letter of a tag and select the one I want. Makes the coding process much faster. And I never use it's built-in validating. I always go to W3Cs site and use their validation service. I currently use xHTML 1.0 or 1.1 and CSS2.0. Can't wait til we have browsers that fully support CSS3.0.

I'm using Flash 8 for this course, but I have CS3. Actually have the whole CS3 suite. But I just can't get into Flash at all, even the ActionScript. And don't get me started on that horibble program called Fireworks! Ugh!!!! That program is complete junk IMO. I've been using PhotoShop for 5+ years, so that is all I use when developing graphics. Unfortunately, I'm also in a Fireworks class this semester.

For my job, I write VBA code to automate MicroSoft Office applications. I've actually written a couple Excel add-ins that I am planning to release commercially.

 

[darkhorse02]

Thanks Bullitt453.
Yeah, I'm really a designer, but do some coding.
I usually work for programmers/companies as a designer.
I got the Doctype thing, thanks.

Now with tables, can you show me an example of how you would code up, lets say.
A table with two rows and two cells.
Second row with one col, colspan=2?
Or maybe a good reference?

I'm been building sites since 96', so keeping up is an ever present battle.
I've just been doing tables for 12 years
I know work from home, 4yrs now. The downfall is working in a vacuum.
I don't have the old advantage of bouncing ideas off of 10 people.

Thanks!

 

[SilverBullet00]

You guys suck!

I took .NET and ASP programming in college and never really understood it.

I'd really like to get more into web programming, but I suck at it

 

[bullitt453]

Thanks Bullitt453.
Yeah, I'm really a designer, but do some coding.
I usually work for programmers/companies as a designer.
I got the Doctype thing, thanks.

Now with tables, can you show me an example of how you would code up, lets say.
A table with two rows and two cells.
Second row with one col, colspan=2?
Or maybe a good reference?

I'm been building sites since 96', so keeping up is an ever present battle.
I've just been doing tables for 12 years
I know work from home, 4yrs now. The downfall is working in a vacuum.
I don't have the old advantage of bouncing ideas off of 10 people.

Thanks!

Damn! Wish I could work from home! I envy you!

OK. Let me revise what I said earlier. There is nothing wrong with using tables on a website, as long as they are used for their intended purpose which is to display tabular data. They should never be used to position data or create a whole layout.

Now, with that said, here is a very quick and dirty way to accomplish what you mentioned. It is all handled through the use of CSS classes and IDs. This is not the only way to accomplish this and is actually not the way I would implement it in the real world. It is just meant to show you a way to creat a table-like structure.

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html ***ns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" ***:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
    <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" />
    <title>Sample for darkhorse02</title>
    <style type="text/css">
        #container {
            margin: 0 auto;
            width: 600px;
        }
        .colspanner {
            width: 100%;
            text-align: center;
            background-color: #999;
        }
        .leftcell {
            width: 50%;
            float: left;
            background-color: #855;
        }
        .rightcell {
            width: 50%;
            float: right;
            background-color: #559;
        }
    </style>
</head>
<body>
    <div id="container">
        <div class="colspanner">
            <p>here is your colspan</p>
        </div>
        <div class="leftcell">
            <p>this data goes to the left.  this data goes to the left.</p>
        </div>
        <div class="rightcell">
            <p>this data goes to the right.  this data goes to the right.</p>
        </div>
    </div>
</body>
</html>

Also, if you will copy/paste this into the W3C Validator, you will see that it validates as xHTML 1.0 Strict. on edit: actually, it doesn't validate because the forums filter changed a couple letters to asterisks for some reason. but you should still get the general idea and, trust me, it does validate. lol

Now, for a more practical example of a table-like structure, have a look at the Past Events page at my club's website. This is all handled through CSS. Actually, I designed that site to be 100% table free. It takes a lot of CSS to accomplish, but it is well worth the effort and much easier to maintain in the long run. You can see the complete CSS file for that website here.

Let me know if you have any questions or anything. I love talking about programming just about as much as I love talking about Mustangs. lol. Yup, I reckon I'm a dork.

 

[tank_567]

my style sheet
http://www.bigwoodracing.com/style.css

 

[bullitt453]

my style sheet
http://www.bigwoodracing.com/style.css

Man, that is one tiny stylesheet. Actually, it could be made much smaller. Check this. Didn't pull down your site and test it, so it would probably need a little tweaking, but you get the idea.

body {
                font: italic bold arial, sans-serif;
                color: #1a008a;
}
table, font.one, A.type1:link, A.type1:visited, A.type1:active, A.type1:hover {
                color: #FFFFFF;
}
font.one {
                font: normal bold arial, sans-serif;
}
.PopBoxImageSmall {
	border: none 1px #ffffff;
	cursor: url("gfx/magplus.cur"), pointer;
}
.PopBoxImageLarge {
	border: solid 1px #999999;
}
.PopBoxImageShrink, .PopBoxImageLarge {
	cursor: url("gfx/magminus.cur"), pointer;
}
.PopBoxImageLink, .PopBoxImageMove {
	cursor: pointer;
}
.PopBoxImageMove {
	border: none 0px #ffffff;
}
A.type1:link, A.type1:visited, A.type1:active {
	text-decoration:none;
}
A.type1:hover {
	text-decoration:underline;
}
table.one, table.two {
	border-style: solid;
	border-width: 1px 1px 1px;
}
table.one {
	border-color: #808b8f;
}
table.two {
	border-color: #FFFFFF;
}
h1.one {
	color:  #1a008a;
}

Also, tank, I just realised, you are right up the road from me. I'm in the Burlington/Graham area. Our club, The MOB, does a whole lot with your local club, HCMC.

 

[darkhorse02]

Thanks!!
I'll look this over.
I may some questions, I would be glad to have a few discussions with you

Working from home is nice.
I get to stay home with my son, which is why I ended up doing this.
Plus, my wife is a school teacher, summers rock!

But as you see there is some draw backs, like sharing info.

 

[bullitt453]

Thanks!!
I'll look this over.
I may some questions, I would be glad to have a few discussions with you

Working from home is nice.
I get to stay home with my son, which is why I ended up doing this.
Plus, my wife is a school teacher, summers rock!

But as you see there is some draw backs, like sharing info.

No problem. Feel free to PM me anytime to talk about programming/design stuff. Or I can PM you my e-mail addy.

 

[mixedbreed02gt]

Cool deal. I'm a part-time web designer myself, so I would certainly be interested in seeing the design. What language did you use? Standard HTML? PHP? Use lots of CSS? I currently code stricly in xHTML and CSS. Check out Mustangs Of Burlington for an example of some of my work.

well its nowhere near as good as what you have...holy cow! that's awesome stuff. as soon as the site goes live, I'll put up the link.

mine is just standard html, with a jpeg as an image map, a bunch of links, an easy menu, and a cool little sound clip to mesh with the theme of the business/website.

it's definitely nothing major, but the shop owner thought it was a fair trade for a gear install, and so do I for the time spent getting something he'd like, and making it all work etc. doesn't take much nowadays for a website to add up in charges...especially with labor for web design.

as for the stuff you do, yeah, I'm nowhere near that good.

You don't need speadcal. Just use SCT and change gears ratio .

i know this, but I can't afford a SCT right now, and I got the gears, bearings, speed cal, and gear lube for cheap on a special so it's just easier to use that for now.

 

[bullitt453]

well its nowhere near as good as what you have...holy cow! that's awesome stuff. as soon as the site goes live, I'll put up the link.

mine is just standard html, with a jpeg as an image map, a bunch of links, an easy menu, and a cool little sound clip to mesh with the theme of the business/website.

it's definitely nothing major, but the shop owner thought it was a fair trade for a gear install, and so do I for the time spent getting something he'd like, and making it all work etc. doesn't take much nowadays for a website to add up in charges...especially with labor for web design.

as for the stuff you do, yeah, I'm nowhere near that good.

Thanks a lot for the kind words. You are certainly correct when you say that the cost can add up really quick! A local performance shop has inquired about me taking over their website and redesigning/maintaining it. Only problem is, I have no idea what to charge for something like that. I mainly do this stuff to have something fun and challenging to do, so I have never researched how much a bill would actually be. Plan to post up at some design forums and see what others are charging.

 

[mixedbreed02gt]

Thanks a lot for the kind words. You are certainly correct when you say that the cost can add up really quick! A local performance shop has inquired about me taking over their website and redesigning/maintaining it. Only problem is, I have no idea what to charge for something like that. I mainly do this stuff to have something fun and challenging to do, so I have never researched how much a bill would actually be. Plan to post up at some design forums and see what others are charging.

Most stuff like that goes anywhere from $60 an hour on up to $150 an hour for graphics/web design.

best thing to do, is google 3 professional web design companies, and call them for quotes. get your quotes and then cut the lowest one by 20-30% and that's what you charge.