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DTMach1

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codyGT said:
What is everyones definition of stock when talking about Mach1's?

How is a car with less than 340fwhp running low 13's? And don't give me the under rated story. They even weigh a tad bit more than a GT too.
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you must not go to a track very often, or know very little about drag racing...

I've seen cars with well over 400hp to the wheels not break 14's...why??? it's all in how they put that power to the ground!!!

Mach's are set up from the factory to drag race, plain and simple...even in stock form with around 280HP to the rear wheels it can run low 13's with a good driver...
 
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codyGT said:
What is everyones definition of stock when talking about Mach1's?

How is a car with less than 340fwhp running low 13's? And don't give me the under rated story. They even weigh a tad bit more than a GT too.
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LS-1's do it all the time with their stock SS's/z-28's, why cant the mach-1 run as good! Pretty much the same hrspwr/tq #'s for both and if u know how to drive, I dont see the problem. U do read the ford magazines right, both 5.0/mm&ff got mach-1's to run low 13's (5-speed) and so can any other good driver.
 

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DTMach1 said:
you must not go to a track very often, or know very little about drag racing...

I've seen cars with well over 400hp to the wheels not break 14's...why??? it's all in how they put that power to the ground!!!

Mach's are set up from the factory to drag race, plain and simple...even in stock form with around 280HP to the rear wheels it can run low 13's with a good driver...
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DTMach1 is right, we have a drag strip in my side of town where i've ran 13.6's on drag radials on my best run ever, but i ran it (02 GTw/ bolt-ons). In San antonio which is only about 250 miles away I run 13.2's without the drag radials, just in street tires. It all depends on the driver, track and weather conditions. This is where I see the stock Mach 1's run low 13's with maybe aftermarket filters and catback systems. here at home they barely break into the 13's.
 

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PS, my mods include

Steeda CAI
Accufab Plenum w/75 inlet
Accufab 75mm TB
Predator Tuner (AWESOME if you know how to use it with a Lab top)
MAC LT's
Mac off-road pro chamber (no cats)
SLP cat back
Eiebach drag launch kit (front springs modified)
4.10's
Steeda aluminum lower&upper c arms
Steeda underdrive pulleys
Steeda aluminum subframe connectors
Steeda 3650 Tri-Ax
17x10.5 03Cobra rims & 315/35 17 Nitto555R's

some parts have just been installed so
hoping to see much better times at the track soon
 

Gearbanger 101

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big T said:
LS-1's do it all the time with their stock SS's/z-28's, why cant the mach-1 run as good! Pretty much the same hrspwr/tq #'s for both and if u know how to drive, I dont see the problem. U do read the ford magazines right, both 5.0/mm&ff got mach-1's to run low 13's (5-speed) and so can any other good driver.
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Stock LT-1's don't run low 13's Mid to high with good traction maybe, but low 13's is pushing it.
 
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codyGT said:
Psssst, Most Mach1's are high 13 second cars. I've only seen modded ones run better.
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Psssst, guess my 13.2@106 was a fluke stock. A GT with about 40-60 less RWHP will run with a Mach? Everyone insists that a GT is a high 13 sec car on here.. I guess it's became the Mach is about 50lbs heavier!

 
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Actually I go to every are street night/day there is.

And LS1's got quite a bit more HP stock than a Mach1's no matter what anyone says about under rating LS1's are the only true seriously under rated V8 in this case. Not to mention the late N/A Cobra 99+ had almost the same ratings as the Mach so why aren't they anything to talk about? IRS doesn't kill them that bad.

I am not trying to flame but I have 3 Mach1 drivers around here that think there car is the ***** and with my SS I shut them down quick. Not to mention the two stock ones are a drivers race with my GT. From a dig I kill them with ease (yes they can drive) they can catch up but they can never get around me. The one with a full exhaust + gears + predator is another story.

It is the same with 6 speed LS1's but they catch me at about 90mph and lead by about a car to 100+. As for auto LS1's without serious strip only transmissions they are an easy kill especially with 2.73 gears.
 
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First off I respect your driving and you car but it just sounds to me like you just really have a distaste for Mach 1s, for whatever reason. Why so much hate??? I mean similar basic setup as a GT but with a 4V DOHC motor, a decent cam setup for midrange power. The only knock on the Mach over the GT is the extra 100+ lbs or so. Stock for stock, equal drivers, it shouldn't even be close between the 2 cars, there are other factors that are key to sway a race either way, and once modding starts all bets are off.

Since we're citing racing stories, when I was stock vs my friends pretty healthy modded bolton '03 GT we were neck and neck a bunch of times when we raced. It just depended on the launch when we would race and I would eventually take him on the top end.
 
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No I just get tired of the Mach1 > GT theory.
 
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codyGT said:
No I just get tired of the Mach1 > GT theory.
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I can see where you come from, and I think it's been proven that a correctly modded well driven GT can hang and beat a Mach 1. People who think otherwise are in lala land. But I think the Mach is a great car too, otherwise I wouldn't have traded my '02 GT in for it.
 

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godspeedX said:
DTMach1 is right, we have a drag strip in my side of town where i've ran 13.6's on drag radials on my best run ever, but i ran it (02 GTw/ bolt-ons). In San antonio which is only about 250 miles away I run 13.2's without the drag radials, just in street tires. It all depends on the driver, track and weather conditions. This is where I see the stock Mach 1's run low 13's with maybe aftermarket filters and catback systems. here at home they barely break into the 13's.
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godspeed, where are you located at?
 

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A friend of mines 03 Mach ran 13.0-13.1's stock w/ Nitto's. and has since ran a best of 12.77@106.93 w/ a 1.79 60' w/ the addition of a prochamber. Just running Nitto's and a Pro-chamber.
 
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I would have to see that to belive it. 12.7 with only a prochamber
 
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I remember there being a video from way earlier this year of a Mach with just DRs running 13.1 at only like 102 mph though. I gotta see if I can dig it up. Maybe others remember that one as well.
 

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codyGT said:
I would have to see that to belive it. 12.7 with only a prochamber
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Whats so hard to believe about that

Nittos and a Prochamber will get a Mach into the 12s i watch a guy every friday night at Epping NH run 12.2XX in his Mach

His mods are the following. PHP intake spacer, O/R Hpipe, Maggies and 4.30s
His car makes 312RWHP. When he first got that car he 12.8 with DRs and that was it.

This guy doesn't have anything special he just launches the crap outta that car

I have also seen the other end of the spectrum with the Machs, some guys are running high 14s with m5 machs.

I like all mustangs Machs, GTs, whatever. If i had to pick between the Mach and GT though it would be the Mach everytime.
 

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I don't doubt the times of the original thread here. Remember he said 80 degress with 100% Humidity. Some people may not realize it, but that temperature, particularly with that humidity have a huge impact on the performance of BOTH of those cars. My car, feels like a dog when its hot out with high humidity. These engines or any engine for that matter, do not like hot humid weather. I'd say run at the track again on a much cooler night, especially with the humidity alot lower, and you will see a huge improvment in those times.

If you ran a 14.4 in those conditions, I would guess that with low humidity, we're talking 40-50% and temps in the upper 60s to lower 70s, you can easily run a 14 flat at worst. I saw a completely stock '01 GT run a 13.8 last week on street tires. Temperature was 67 degrees with 45% humidity, track elevation is like 0. The guy was a pretty damn good driver but the point is, his car was stock on a very nice and cool evening.

I have yet to run my car, but tomorrow night I'm heading to the track because the temps are supposed to drop into the 60's again with low humidity.
 

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Not tryin to flame, but I have never seen a stock Mach break 13.5 and I have seen a TON of them run at 2 different tracks. I would love to run at the tracks where people are claiming their Mach's are in the high 12's, low 13's.
 

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Shalenboy said:
Not tryin to flame, but I have never seen a stock Mach break 13.5 and I have seen a TON of them run at 2 different tracks. I would love to run at the tracks where people are claiming their Mach's are in the high 12's, low 13's.
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It's all driver and track dude...it can and has been accomplished...if you look over at a couple of the mach related boards, a good driver is capable of making their mach run 13.1 stock.

In fact, the founder of one of the mach boards is in the 12's with just a tune and CAI...and yes on radials.
 
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I will say though that most cars will run better times if you beat the living hell out of them.

One of my friends Mach1's has 10,000 miles on it and it is already sounding like the internals have seen better days.

I can't feel good about a car that I beat daily. No to mention people who do so look really stupid.
 

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codyGT said:
Actually I go to every are street night/day there is.

Not to mention the late N/A Cobra 99+ had almost the same ratings as the Mach so why aren't they anything to talk about? IRS doesn't kill them that bad.
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Maybe this will help: 3:55 gears, solid rear axle (this car was designed for the 1/4), lighter, and increased RWHP/RWTQ

Dyno of a one of the members at the Registry head to head comparsion:

http://home.kc.rr.com/kchof/01 4v vs 03 4v.jpg

Thread:

http://www.mach1registry.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20983&highlight=2001+cobra

You may want to check out the times there too with many with slips.
 
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