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2010 coyote engine details KILLER!!!

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patman0911

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It's not completely ridiculous. I had the same thoughts and I can see a couple ways of doing it, although maybe not practical.

One way you could do it would variable lifters that at one end of its range would absorb some amount of the cam's lift which would decrease maximum lift but would also have the effect of shortening the duration - the lost lift might be acceptable since you probably wouldn't be using the shorter duration at times when you need maximum cylinder filling and it could be compensated for somewhat by making the maximum lift of the cam a little higher than necessary normally. I think I've actually seen this described somewhere else.

Another way would be to have split cam lobes running on concentric shafts and the rocker or lifter would ride on both of them. One lobe could be for opening and the other for closing and as you move them apart, the duration increases.

Your idea also occurred to me. As long as the lobes don't overlap and there's some space between one valve closing and the next one opening on a cam, then you could retard the cam right before it starts to close and then advance it again right before the next one starts to open to increase duration and do the opposite to decrease duration. But, since duration is way over 180 degrees and thus 90 on the shaft, with 4 lobes on a shaft, there's no gaps to play with. It might work on a V4 motor though.

The other way is to just license some VTek tech from Honda.
 

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So the new GT is probably around 350rwhp stock. Even with the high compression I think you could see around 450rwhp with a blower.
 

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They actually talk a little about that in the article. They say the rods are plenty strong for the stock application but not any stronger than they need to be. They suggest you can use the Manley Terminator rods (or other aftermarket rods) for boosted applications if you just can't wait since the rods are the one thing that is interchangeable between the Modular and the Coyote. The inverse of that is perhaps the Coyote will be a good source of inexpensive, light weight high-RPM rods for N/A Modular people
 

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scupking said:
So the new GT is probably around 350rwhp stock. Even with the high compression I think you could see around 450rwhp with a blower.
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Probably so, but the issue is that boost and high compression don't go together. It's hard to get them to play nice compared to boosting a lower compression engine.

I'm sure it won't be long before there are kits out for the 5.0's, but in order to make some SERIOUS higher boost numbers chances are you will have to go in and change the pistons to a set that will reduce the CR.
 

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Being a 4v head, it is less prone to detonation than a 2v, in general. I imagine that intercooling, AFRs around 11:1-11.5:1, retarded spark, octane booster, and maybe some meth injection could take you a long way... but why bother? You will have to open up the short block for stronger rods anyway so you might as well put in some pistons with more dish.

I wonder what the limit is on that short block... Could it be that just some cams and bolt ons might take you past it? That would be sad

EDIT: I know the GT350 is supposed to make 550 ehp with a blower... wonder if that is with the stock shortblock?
 

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another thing to note is the full race BOSS302. the car will use this engine with mods for full racing.


i want a boss 302 intake manifold for mine.
 

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billfisher said:
another thing to note is the full race BOSS302. the car will use this engine with mods for full racing.


i want a boss 302 intake manifold for mine.
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What are the specs on the BOSS engine?
 

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the only guess based on it being grand-am ready. that means it races c6r, caymans, ferrari's, astin martin, etc. it will have at least as much power. i want that intake for mine.

Robert Yates publicly expressed interest in using a similar 5.0 L 4-valve DOHC Modular V8 to compete in the NASCAR Winston Cup Series (now Sprint Cup Series)Roush-Yates supplies a naturally aspirated 550 hp (410 kW) 5.0 L Cammer for use in the Mustang FR500GT3 and Matech-Ford GT3 which participate in the FIA GT3 European Championship.




In addition to the new 5.0 2011 Mustang GT, Ford's also selling a new Boss 302R race car. If you haven't been paying attention, Ford's previous generation FR500C racer has been racking up victory after victory. Besides winning a race two days after the first FR500C was sold (you buy 'em at a Ford parts counter), the FR500C then went on to win three Triple Crown championships in Koni competition as well as back-to-back driver's championships in FIA GT4 (featuring Corvettes, Caymans, Aston Martin V8s, etc). And the Boss 302R is better. Or potentially better...

Featuring a racing version of the new 5.0 32-valve Ti-VCT V8, a six-speed manual transmission, roll cage, race seats, five-point belts, data-acquisition equipment, racing shocks and springs as well as Brembo brakes and special tires. How much? $79,000. There's also a $129,000 Boss M-FR302R1 that's eligible to race in the Grand-Am Continental Tire Sports Car Challenge series (formerly known as the Koni Challenge). It comes complete with a sealed, high-output motor, better cooling, close-ratio transmission, a seam-welded body, Koni dampers, upgraded ABS system, tuned exhaust and a special one-piece drive shaft.
 
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