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24lb Injectors Newer Type With Adapters

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2000xp8

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I'm not sure where I saw anyone say you should use 24's.
I believe what they are saying is you "can" run 24's. Don't confuse that with should.
The reality it's not sensible with the budget orientated parts you have.

I've been doing this a long time, I've had more 302 based parts than I can remember.
I could go on and on why going to 24's and tuning with the parts you have is just a waste of money and provide you literally nothing for your money, but i'm starting to think karthief is right, you want to use 24's and you are going to use 24's...

This thread reminds me of why I think going to gt40p heads is senseless in the first place.
 
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2000xp8 said:
This thread reminds me of why I think going to gt40p heads is senseless in the first place.
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Here's my methodology. I hate making too many changes at once because if the end result has an issue, it's hard to track down what the issue is when you've changed so many things at once. I'm an engineer by trade, and often times I have to figure out why the sudden something isn't working and my first question is "what did you change" to which I often get a long list of things. Change one thing...validate it.

With that said, there are issues that can sometimes arise with aftermarket calibrated MAF's. There can also be issues that arise with intake swaps (intake gasket slips leading to a vac leak and idle surge or backfire). Now you throw a TB on there, some other mods and all the sudden you have a surging idle. Well, do you pull the intake off and reseat it? Or do you troubleshoot the MAF and try and see if that calibrated MAF is causing it.

Here's what I would do in your shoes...hear me out.

Sn95 MAF. Grad one on ebay, or even look on rockauto.com. (I see a new cardone unit for $55). You'll need an adapter, or perhaps you have a custom intake that will work with the 4-bolt flange style MAF. Install that. Get it running.

I forget if you had the GT4oP's already on or not, but next up I'd do the heads and intake (and cam if you have it). Get that buttoned up. Make sure the car is running well. Idles well, no surging, no codes.

Now, if you insist on a tune at this point, hop on the classifieds and pick up a set of EV1 24# injectors. They were made for so many years that they are plentiful in good used shape. Set up your tune appt. Couple days before, swap in the 24# injectors. Car will run fine. The ECU will shorten the duty cycle to compensate but you may run pig rich at WOT. That's fine as you just need to get to the dyno. Have them tune the car with 24# injectors and call it a day. Or, if possible, make a run on the 19's and then install the 24's based on what you see there.

Now, you certainly can do the other things you are listing out. You can solder on EV6 harnesses and run those with a calibrated MAF, but it's not necessary. 1993 Cobras did have 24's, but that was also a production car that Ford had to build to last a long time and make it to 100K+ miles. They built in a little reliability to avoid warranty claims when injectors crap out on them. Usually most enthusiasts here aren't driving their car every day (maybe you are who knows), and can also swap out a single injector if one fails.

Entirely your decision to make as to what you do and we will continue to answer your questions, but just consider simplifying things a tad.
 

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^^ I agree,

I also see no need for 24lb injectors or a tune, the factory ecm will be able to handle your setup unless your looking for every last bit out of it.
 
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Did the cobra have an ecu matched with the 24's too? Along with the maf?
I think so.
Maybe.
 

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2000xp8 said:
I'm not sure where I saw anyone say you should use 24's.
I believe what they are saying is you "can" run 24's. Don't confuse that with should.
The reality it's not sensible with the budget orientated parts you have.

I've been doing this a long time, I've had more 302 based parts than I can remember.
I could go on and on why going to 24's and tuning with the parts you have is just a waste of money and provide you literally nothing for your money, but i'm starting to think karthief is right, you want to use 24's and you are going to use 24's...

This thread reminds me of why I think going to gt40p heads is senseless in the first place.
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karthief said:
Did the cobra have an ecu matched with the 24's too? Along with the maf?
I think so.
Maybe.
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ECU and MAF were paired to each other and set for 24# injectors. If you run a cobra ECU (not recommended) you need the corresponding MAF and 24s
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
ECU and MAF were paired to each other and set for 24# injectors. If you run a cobra ECU (not recommended) you need the corresponding MAF and 24s
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I love it when I get one correct
 
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