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highvolts

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ski said:
It's also possible that one or more plugs are bad. Other S197 owners have also experienced hesitation problems after removing and reinstalling their existing plugs, and it caused by a short which was occurring due to the porcelin cracking inside the electrode shield.
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Good Point!
 
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Pop's

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Well before leaving for work this morning I decided to look at the plugs one more time (thanks highvolts for the motivation) and verify if too much antiseize had creaped close by the electrodes. What i have found is that the first plug passenger side had the procelin cracked in 2 places above the hex nut. Sky you were right on for this one. Bought a new plug, cleared the DTC and voila, no more hesitation.

Thanks for your help

Patrick
 

highvolts

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#123
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Pop's said:
Well before leaving for work this morning I decided to look at the plugs one more time (thanks highvolts for the motivation) and verify if too much antiseize had creaped close by the electrodes. What i have found is that the first plug passenger side had the procelin cracked in 2 places above the hex nut. Sky you were right on for this one. Bought a new plug, cleared the DTC and voila, no more hesitation.

Thanks for your help

Patrick
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Good News Pops! An 10 dollar fix!
 

red05bullitgt

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#124
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According to the latest TSB, you only want to apply a film coating of nickel anti-seize on just the ground electrode shield. Make certain not to apply on any part of the electrode strap. Otherwise your vehicle will misfire, as a direct result of shorting out the electrode !
 

red05bullitgt

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klaw said:
I saw that post and that's what got me thinking. One of the codes will indicate the new head style but which one?
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Klaw, if your not sure as to which code indicates the new head/spark plug style. Try all the codes, as I'm quite certain that your local Ford dealer's parts dept, should be able to indicate the codes for you.
 
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ski

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#126
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Pop's said:
Well before leaving for work this morning I decided to look at the plugs one more time (thanks highvolts for the motivation) and verify if too much antiseize had creaped close by the electrodes. What i have found is that the first plug passenger side had the procelin cracked in 2 places above the hex nut. Sky you were right on for this one. Bought a new plug, cleared the DTC and voila, no more hesitation.

Thanks for your help

Patrick
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You're welcome. Glad that you got things fixed.
 
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2k05gt

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#127
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This Simple tool will prevent you from Snapping off a Plug

Wobble Extension
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Towelly

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2k05gt said:
This Simple tool will prevent you from Snapping off a Plug

Wobble Extension
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Good luck with that. Its not a problem with the tools, its a problem with the part. A wobble extender will not help the carbon build up on the smooth part of the plugs.
 

highvolts

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2k05gt said:
This Simple tool will prevent you from Snapping off a Plug

Wobble Extension
View attachment 304685
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I think you would be more likely to snap off a plug using this. A standard extension prevents you from moving side to side, where as the wobble lets you wobble side to side.

Just my thoughts... They arn't worth much...

-Jason
 

NastyStang113

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The wobble extension is going to put a side load on the spark plug thus increasing the chances of breaking it.
 

klaw

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ThumperMX113 said:
The wobble extension is going to put a side load on the spark plug thus increasing the chances of breaking it.
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I don't agree. Using a straight extension if your ratchet handle isn't perpendictular to the plug your socket can break the insulator. On the other hand, the wobble extension can still transmit the rotational torque but will leave the socket centered over the plug.
 

NastyStang113

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klaw said:
I don't agree. Using a straight extension if your ratchet handle isn't perpendictular to the plug your socket can break the insulator. On the other hand, the wobble extension can still transmit the rotational torque but will leave the socket centered over the plug.
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We are all entitled to our own opinions. My buddy said the same thing. Than he broke a spark plug by using the wobble extension, switched to the "tool" and got the rest of them out with no problems. I always use it and have no problem.
 

highvolts

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As I said.. My Thoughts arn't worth much.. lol
 

GOLDENPONY

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#134
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Towelly said:
Good luck with that. Its not a problem with the tools, its a problem with the part. A wobble extender will not help the carbon build up on the smooth part of the plugs.
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Bingo! Look at the big brain on Towelly!
 

klaw

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ThumperMX113 said:
We are all entitled to our own opinions. My buddy said the same thing. Than he broke a spark plug by using the wobble extension, switched to the "tool" and got the rest of them out with no problems. I always use it and have no problem.
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What "tool" are you talking about? I use a 9/16 deep socket without a sparkplug rubber insert. After the plug is backed out almost all the way, I slide a piece of rubber vacuum line over the conductor tip and finish backing out the plug with the rubber and then use the rubber to retrieve the plug. I haven't broken one yet. All the plugs are easily accessible on these engines. On other engines where the plugs are tougher to access with a straight extension, I use a wobble extension or even a swivel on top of the deep socket.
 
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2k05gt

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I am interested in why some people have a lot of carbon buildup on the plugs an others dont? I first pulled mine out at 45K and had minor carbon buildup, I replaced the plugs because 2 were cracked. then put anti-seaze on the threads and in three months 3 of the 8 plugs loosend up so bad that I could turn them without a wrench. So do not put anti-seaze on the threads.

I run 60% of the time 93 octain with a race tune, could this be a reason that I have little carbon in the plugs?

Since I race alot I pull my plugs every couple of months to inspect and clean them.
 

bigcat

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probably due to poor fuel quality. i only use top tier gas stations.

Top Tier Gasoline
 
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Sajeffc

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I agree on the top tier gasoline. I changed the plugs out on my 05 F150 5.4 3V at 30k miles and they came right out with no problems. They actually looked almost new with no gunk on them at all. I only used Shell gas in it so am doing the same in the Stang. I really believe its worth it over the cheap stuff.
 

bigcat

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Sajeffc said:
I agree on the top tier gasoline. I changed the plugs out on my 05 F150 5.4 3V at 30k miles and they came right out with no problems. They actually looked almost new with no gunk on them at all. I only used Shell gas in it so am doing the same in the Stang. I really believe its worth it over the cheap stuff.
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and the funny part is that the cheap gas is usually not any less expensive than the best! gas is gas, the difference is in the additives that the brand uses in the gas. top tier gas has the best additives. QuikTrip is at the top of that list. I am not sure if it goes in any order or not, but QT will guarantee their gas. if you ever have a gas related problem with QT gas, they cover 100% of the expenses to fix it. thats why they are my number one choice. they are also extremely competitive on their pricing too, so that doesnt hurt.
 

metroplex

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The funnier part is the "Top Tier" gas stations all get their gas from 1 supplier in Michigan since there is only 1 refinery in this area (run by Marathon). However, the gas quality definitely varies from station to station. I feel it is MORE important to buy fresh gasoline than a specific brand.
 
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