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5.0 bogs and back fires under heavy excelleration.

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5.0 trick flow stage one cam
afr 185 heads
msd distributor
msd igniion
trickflow street intake
cold air with mas 63mm
24lbs injectors
ajustable fuel pressure set at 38....prob started before raised to 38
timing at 14
mac long tubes xpipe mac exhaust all way threw
255 fuel pump

So here is deal. My car does not have power it should. it well bog and back fire whenever i try to get in it. it will cruise all day long but as soon as i try to get in it even just a little bit it will not allow it. Says f you im slow and am not going to be nice. What is wrong with her? Why does she not want to go like i know she should. I have nver got a pull from this car like it should.
 

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Which EEC and mass air sensor are you running?


Next question... do you still have your 19's and stock maf?
 
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EEC IV
mas not sure. plugged to a c&l set for 24. sensor was used when i got i believe. what should i have sensor wise?

No injectors, but i do believe i have stock maf let me dig for it.
 

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Ceck for vac leaks first. The spray engine starter seems to work the best.

If you find nothing, look at swapping our the throttle position sensor and thin film ignition module... temporarily if you're able (for trouble shooting at least).

If you've got no vacs and can confirm that the TPS and TFI are good, then I'd be looking at putting the OEM MAF and injectors back in (this assumes that either your MAF or injectors, are either mismatched or junk). I'm not a C&L fan to begin with as these kinds of issues seem VERY common with sample tube type MAFs. You could always try "reclocking" your MAF prior to moving on to reinstalling the OEM MAF.

Something else that I just noticed is that your timing is set high. It's not crazy high for a 5oh (a lot of folks set to 14*) but don't take it for granted that 14* is REALLY 14*. I'll assume that you had the vac off when you set it but either way. Back it down in 1-2 degree increments and see if it gets any better until you hit 10*. This will be for trouble shooting and you can always crank it back up later after you've resolved the issue.

Only other thing I can think of that might be related and is simple to check is your IAC. Remove it, clean it, and reinstall with a fresh gasket.


Anyone else think of something I missed?
 

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Double check timing and check to be sure the SPOUT plug is plugged in. Also check firing order is correct.
 

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Dumping the computer diagnostic codes on 86-95 Mustangs

Revised 18-Mar-2011 to advise differences in code information for engine running and engine off codes.

Here's the way to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

Be sure to turn off the A/C, and put the transmission in neutral when dumping the codes. Fail to do this and you will generate a code 67 and not be able to dump the Engine Running codes.

Here's the link to dump the computer codes with only a jumper wire or paper clip and the check engine light, or test light or voltmeter. I’ve used it for years, and it works great. You watch the flashing test lamp or Check Engine Light and count the flashes.

See Troublcodes.net Trouble Codes OBD & OBD2 Trouble Codes and Technical info & Tool Store. By BAT Auto Technical





If your car is an 86-88 stang, you'll have to use the test lamp or voltmeter method. There is no functional check engine light on the 86-88's except possibly the Cali Mass Air cars.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.

89 through 95 cars have a working Check Engine light. Watch it instead of using a test lamp.



The STI has a gray connector shell and a white/red wire. It comes from the same bundle of wires as the self test connector.


WARNING!!! There is a single dark brown connector with a black/orange wire. It is the 12 volt power to the under the hood light. Do not jumper it to the computer test connector. If you do, you will damage the computer.

What to expect:
You should get a code 11 (two single flashes in succession). This says that the computer's internal workings are OK, and that the wiring to put the computer into diagnostic mode is good. No code 11 and you have some wiring problems. This is crucial: the same wire that provides the ground to dump the codes provides signal ground for the TPS, EGR, ACT and Map/Baro sensors. If it fails, you will have poor performance, economy and driveablity problems

Some codes have different answers if the engine is running from the answers that it has when the engine isn't running. It helps a lot to know if you had the engine running when you ran the test.

Dumping the Engine Running codes: The procedure is the same, you start the engine with the test jumper in place. Be sure the A/C is off and the transmission is in neutral. You'll get an 11, then a 4 and the engine will speed up to do the EGR test. After the engine speed decreases back to idle, it will dump the engine running codes.

Trouble codes are either 2 digit or 3 digit, there are no cars that use both 2 digit codes and 3 digit codes.

Alternate methods:
For those who are intimidated by all the wires & connections, see Actron® for what a typical hand scanner looks like. Normal retail price is about $30 or so at AutoZone or Wal-Mart.

Or for a nicer scanner see Equus - Digital Ford Code Reader (3145) – It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
Or for a nicer scanner see http://www.midwayautosupply.com/p-7208-equus-digital-ford-code-reader-3145.aspx– It has a 3 digit LCD display so that you don’t have to count flashes or beeps.. Cost is $30.
 
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