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5.0 H.o Cam Vs Non

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Will a 5.0 e303 H.O cam work in my non h.o block and what do I need to change to run this cam with my 89 non h.o block ?? Need help by morning thanks!!!
 

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I ran a f cam in a non ho block and the intake valve just barely touched the pistons. Check piston to valve clearence and use the ho firing order but honestly it will depend on your compression ratio if you get any hp increase
 

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Is it a roller block?

If so, just need to change the firing order, and check ptv clearance as the non-HO engines typically do not use valve reliefs.
 
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Proper way to change firing order (along with cam obviously) includes an H.O. ECM and injector harness (or re-pin the non-H.O. harness). Keeping the non-H.O. ECM is NOT the proper way.

Frankly, if all you want is a different cam in your non-H.O. block, get a different cam for non.H.O. firing order. I doubt you can give a valid reason for forgoing a "hotter" non-H.O. cam in favor of an H.O. cam, and then having to cobble together every other necessary change to make it work.
 
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Ah...forgot about the ole batch fire injection systems.


OP, care to provide more info on what you have and what you are attempting to do?
 

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Yea, I did give a general answer to that question, should have asked what they intended to do.
 
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I put the cam in which was 351 firing order or "H.O" e303 cam gt40 heads and no valve clearance issues at all flat top no relief pistons stock lifters and rods 1.6 roller rockers block is a 89 crown vic roller block the motor runs great got 650cfm DP sounds good just not what I was expecting out of the heads
 
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karthief said:
I ran a f cam in a non ho block and the intake valve just barely touched the pistons. Check piston to valve clearence and use the ho firing order but honestly it will depend on your compression ratio if you get any hp increase
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It has e303 it's a carb motor I got it running
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
Ah...forgot about the ole batch fire injection systems.


OP, care to provide more info on what you have and what you are attempting to do?
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I just ran with a carb it ran fine no backfiring or anything just swapped plug wires around advanced it a little
 

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Demustangs said:
I put the cam in which was 351 firing order or "H.O" e303 cam gt40 heads and no valve clearance issues at all flat top no relief pistons stock lifters and rods 1.6 roller rockers block is a 89 crown vic roller block the motor runs great got 650cfm DP sounds good just not what I was expecting out of the heads
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What did you put it in and what were you expecting?
 
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karthief said:
What did you put it in and what were you expecting?
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It's in a 89 gt mustang I thought the heads had a little more than what everyone made them out to be I learned the hard way I guess
 
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It pays to get good flowing heads I learned and gt40 heads are not the way to go to make a considerable difference for the money with spring upgrade etc I'm going to go with trickflows twisted wedge heads
 
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The heads found on the engines that went in the panther platform cars (and the fox-based Thunderbird and Cougar of the '80s) were pretty terrible even when compared to stock E7s. They were designed to maximize fuel economy in concert with the non-HO firing order which lent itself to a smoother running engine. I believe those 5.0s were rated at 150hp.
 
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Anyone know the horsepower range i have F3ZE AA gt40 heads with spring upgrade e303 cam 1.6 roller rockers 89 crown vic block stock bottome end with flat top pistons 650cfm carb DP
 

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265-280 Rwhp?
 
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265-280 Rwhp?
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That seems reasonable for what it is
 

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I've seen guys get up to 300 rwhp with the GT40/GT40Ps. Requires a host of supporting mods. there are a few threads on combos with Dino numbers of you search around
 
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Mustang5L5 said:
I've seen guys get up to 300 rwhp with the GT40/GT40Ps. Requires a host of supporting mods. there are a few threads on combos with Dino numbers of you search around
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Alright well thank you!
 

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non HO heads, intake and carb or EFI and an E cam? Uh no
 
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non HO heads, intake and carb or EFI and an E cam? Uh no
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GT40 cobra heads And 650cfm holley
 
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