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94 Gt Need Help!! Car Won't Start Unless Ether Is Sprayed :(

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BlownFiveLiter

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Bad PIP in your distributor. I'd put money on it if I were a betting man. Have anyone with a 94-95 that you could swap distributors with for half an hour?
 

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The car is getting 38 lbs at the rails, has new sparkplugs and wires and is getting very good spark, she has few thinks wrong in this post that I will clear up 1st the car at this point if you spray starting fluid in filter it will fire up and runs VERY WELL on its own with continueing to spray you can drive it all over without problems unless you turn it off, if you start it back as soon as you kill it 5 out of 10x it will fire back on its own until it has set for few mins or longer then its hit or miss. I have literilly been over everything and went as far as disconnecting wiring plugs and cleaning and reattaching them. Dont remember exact codes but nothing out of ordanary smog ect. and cleared the codes. All grounds have been checked cleaned and replaced, everything has checked out and the car runs perfect once you help it start other then the occasional start it up or turn key one and windows, Radio, windsheild wipers wont work turn off back on they work. Think its has a wire gremlin somewhere just dont know where and I believe the window ect. problem is seperate from the starting problem. main juntion box under hood has been check and cleaned as well...
 

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BlownFiveLiter said:
Bad PIP in your distributor. I'd put money on it if I were a betting man. Have anyone with a 94-95 that you could swap distributors with for half an hour?
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I replaced Distributer I thought same thing it was acting like it was out of time upon tryn to start but wasnt the issue..
 

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I meant without continueing to spray starting fluid u only need to spray it until it starts then runs completely on its own
 

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BruisedGT50 said:
The car is getting 38 lbs at the rails, has new sparkplugs and wires and is getting very good spark, she has few thinks wrong in this post that I will clear up 1st the car at this point if you spray starting fluid in filter it will fire up and runs VERY WELL on its own with continueing to spray you can drive it all over without problems unless you turn it off, if you start it back as soon as you kill it 5 out of 10x it will fire back on its own until it has set for few mins or longer then its hit or miss. I have literilly been over everything and went as far as disconnecting wiring plugs and cleaning and reattaching them. Dont remember exact codes but nothing out of ordanary smog ect. and cleared the codes. All grounds have been checked cleaned and replaced, everything has checked out and the car runs perfect once you help it start other then the occasional start it up or turn key one and windows, Radio, windsheild wipers wont work turn off back on they work. Think its has a wire gremlin somewhere just dont know where and I believe the window ect. problem is seperate from the starting problem. main juntion box under hood has been check and cleaned as well...
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This description here sounds like an ignition switch. LRS (I think)has one that's NOT made in China. Have you taken the column covers off and laid eyes on the switch? Look to see if it's separating or tired looking.

 

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Noobz347 said:
This description here sounds like an ignition switch. LRS (I think)has one that's NOT made in China. Have you taken the column covers off and laid eyes on the switch? Look to see if it's separating or tired looking.

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Yes I have checked that plug cleaned it as well and all plugs in the area, but the ignition was replaced not to long ago with one from O'Reily's and problems started after that, but they didnt come on all at once, ran fine right after then everyonce in awhile would take forever to start but wasn't very often then more and more until we are here at this point
 

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Yes I have checked that plug cleaned it as well and all plugs in the area, but the ignition was replaced not to long ago with one from O'Reily's and problems started after that, but they didnt come on all at once, ran fine right after then everyonce in awhile would take forever to start but wasn't very often then more and more until we are here at this point
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I think it's time to swap it again... at least long enough to verify or rule it out. O'Reileys (any of the parts stores for that matter) switches are Chinese garbage. Ask me how I know.
 

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Noobz347 said:
I think it's time to swap it again... at least long enough to verify or rule it out. O'Reileys (any of the parts stores for that matter) switches are Chinese garbage. Ask me how I know.
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Ok will try that and let you know thanks
 

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You can also use this to start checking for power.

 

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Noobz347 said:
This description here sounds like an ignition switch. LRS (I think)has one that's NOT made in China. Have you taken the column covers off and laid eyes on the switch? Look to see if it's separating or tired looking.

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Screw it it might just be that. Depending which slider in the switch fails first a multitude of things could randomly stop working. I just didn't think the spark and fuel pump could run without the computer. The CCRM which controls fans and the pump are controlled by the computer. No ignition power to the computer and i doubt everything BUT the injectors would work. (Sorry about playing devils advocate on my own post, its how i process eliminate)
 

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Screw it it might just be that. Depending which slider in the switch fails first a multitude of things could randomly stop working. I just didn't think the spark and fuel pump could run without the computer. The CCRM which controls fans and the pump are controlled by the computer. No ignition power to the computer and i doubt everything BUT the injectors would work. (Sorry about playing devils advocate on my own post, its how i process eliminate)
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I'm thinking a lot of the same things you are... That ONE post though... stinks of bad ignition switch. Including weak ignition system symptoms.
 

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Sorry for the misinformation in earlier posts guys I was going off bits and pieces of things I was being told, I am going to order a new switch now and have him replace that ASAP.....fingers crossed that this is the simple fix after all
 

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BruisedGT50 said:
No codes were reporting when we scanned after parts where put on, I do not have a personal code scanner so I was taking it to O'reillys after replacing parts and no codes were showing
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I wouldn't be surprised if they plugged into the OBDII port under the dash and not the OBDI one on the passenger side strut tower.
 

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No codes were reporting when we scanned after parts where put on, I do not have a personal code scanner so I was taking it to O'reillys after replacing parts and no codes were showing
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I wouldn't be surprised if they plugged into the OBDII port under the dash and not the OBDI one on the passenger side strut tower.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised if they plugged into the OBDII port under the dash and not the OBDI one on the passenger side strut tower.
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Wait... you were joking, right?
 

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The dash OBDII port is for the 3.8 engine. The engine bay OBDI port is for the 5.o. Ford shared the same harness for 94-95.
 

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Maybe he has an A9L, A9P in there lol
 
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