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[05MGT]

I've lurked on a couple import forums and I've noticed a big difference. In just about EVERY import forum they talk a lot about street racing and their kills. Now, I am all about the occasional stoplight stampede, but it's all they discuss, and they tend to focus on Mustangs. Topics like "I killed a 5.0" or "Me vs. Rustang" litter the boards.

I also see many topics on how to drive such as "Best launch RPM", "When to shift", "Best shifting techniques", "Drifting my FWD", "How to downshift", and my favorite, "Rev matching". I cant decide whether they're trying to become better drivers or just trying to learn to drive period. I rearely see topics like this discussed here.

But my favorite is when they all give props to each other and think they are king of the road because they posted their 150whp dyno sheet and 15 sec 1/4 mile timeslip.

It seems to me that there is a big difference in maturity even though most people on both sites are about the same age. Just thought I'd share my findings with you all.

 

[hamidlmt]

Ya know... I discovered something similar while lurking around a forum after my wife got an '05 Pontiac Vibe and I was researching cold air intakes.

Lotta different cars and even more differences in people out there.. glad there's a place for us all.

 

[Alec]

I think a certain movie had a lot to do with it.
After the Gay and the Curious..err.. I mean the Fast and the Furious came out I never really noticed people modifying FWD 4cyl economy cars for drag racing. Maybe I just didn't pay attention, but it seems like after that film all these blinking neon, covered in stickers, loud little rice burners suddenly appeared.

Back in my street racing days we went to the most deserted roads as far from cops and people as possible. I watch these video clips of people racing on the FU***** freeway from "a roll" WTF is that all about. "dude I killed a Camaro" sheesh. Got way too much to lose now playing the street racing game.

All I saw were 5.0's, Camaros, Buick Grand Nationals, Vettes and all sorts of 60's and 70's muscle. Would of never even thought about modding a Honda.
Yes, I have been to several of their forums and beating "Rustang" seems to be quite an accomplishment

 

[Kyle F]

You know, I guess we don't have the fastest cars out there, but we seem to be the bench mark. Everyon compares to how they do against a Rustang...errrrr I mean Mustang.


Its nice to be the pace setters huh.

 

[noxious_mustang]

I know what you mean, yes im young (23)and i have the utmost respect for american muscle, 60's and 70's musclecars and some 80's, hell i own a 68 fastback, sold my 96 gt, and traded my 04 mach for my 06gt. I love mustangs. My generation somehow ended up stuck on these honda's toyota's and mitsubishi's...and i just dont understand why.....seems like everyone i know drives them, or a chevy and im the only one that drives a mustang. I catch alot of crap for it too...i just say im the only sane one and their crazy....

 

[merlinsteele]

I usually lurk on a few other boards, mainly for Camaro news. The other boards are a lot like this one. Got some good people and some insensitive ones, too.

Btw, speaking of the gay and the curious or w/e you call 'em; got a guy works at the same place I do in one of those car clubs. He's built up this little car, some kind of Honda. Has all kinds of extra body mods on it, and now he's adding a turbo with some other crap that goes with it. Anyway, just out of curiousity, I asked how much hp his car would have when he had it installed, and he said after mounted, dynoed, and tweaked, about 300 hp! I was surprised! A car that small with 300 horses? Is it possible with just a turbo?

 

[Svtpilot]

I've lurked on a couple import forums and I've noticed a big difference. In just about EVERY import forum they talk a lot about street racing and their kills. Now, I am all about the occasional stoplight stampede, but it's all they discuss, and they tend to focus on Mustangs. Topics like "I killed a 5.0" or "Me vs. Rustang" litter the boards...

Well that is to be expected from those guys, after all they live life a quarter mile at a time.

...got a guy works at the same place I do in one of those car clubs. He's built up this little car, some kind of Honda. Has all kinds of extra body mods on it, and now he's adding a turbo with some other crap that goes with it. Anyway, just out of curiousity, I asked how much hp his car would have when he had it installed, and he said after mounted, dynoed, and tweaked, about 300 hp! I was surprised! A car that small with 300 horses? Is it possible with just a turbo?

Sure it's possible with enough money the right mods, but at what RPM does his engine make thoose 300 horses 6500? 7000? And how much torque is his engine putting out? How much did it cost him to get there? To each his own, but I bet for less cash then your co-worker spent, I could buy and mod a early 90's 5.0LX and end up with a faster car

 

[05MGT]

I usually lurk on a few other boards, mainly for Camaro news. The other boards are a lot like this one. Got some good people and some insensitive ones, too.

Btw, speaking of the gay and the curious or w/e you call 'em; got a guy works at the same place I do in one of those car clubs. He's built up this little car, some kind of Honda. Has all kinds of extra body mods on it, and now he's adding a turbo with some other crap that goes with it. Anyway, just out of curiousity, I asked how much hp his car would have when he had it installed, and he said after mounted, dynoed, and tweaked, about 300 hp! I was surprised! A car that small with 300 horses? Is it possible with just a turbo?

I dont know if it is possible. Depends on what car he's got. I do know this...these Civic don't respond well at all to mods...just look at this list of parts and dyno from one of those import forums:

Engine/Performance Modifications:
-Ground Wire Upgrade
-Apexi VAFC-II Controler
-Optima Yellow Battery
-Kamikaze Ceramic Header
-DH Racing Port and Polish Head
-B+M Transmission Cooler
-AEM Power Steering Pulley
-K+N Typhoon SRI
-Hyper Voltage System MR
-Upgraded Headlight Harness
-AEM 5 Bolt Cam Gear
-RS*R Ex Mag Exhaust
-FP60 and LC20 additives

That's a TON of money for 5 hp and 2 lbs/ft

 

[Kyle F]

Anythign can be fast. How much $$$$$ do you want to spend?

Thats like the S2000 making somethign like 240hp at 8000RPM.

But bare muster 180lbft of torque. Have to drive it like you hate it to feel anything.

HP sale cars and give bragging rights. Torque wins races.

 

[I8URVTEC]

I don't get what is with all the imports either. The only one I give SOME respect to are the Subaru STI's and the only reason they are good is b/c they can handle a ton of boost b/c it is the same engine that they use in rally cars. Why though push a 4cyl to the limit with 30psi to get at MAX 500 hp when you can start with a 300+ hp V8 and have almost limitless potential on HP depending on how much you want to spend? Also, I would rather hear nails on a blackboard than the sound of those rice cars with their fart can exhausts at 7000 rpms.

 

[crewwolfy]

You have to be careful in what you brush off as rice. I won’t sit here and defend any FWD car as a race car, because it’s not. It’s best for point-A-B driving, or for people that care much more about how they look than the performance of their car. To each their own.

But be careful not to lump all Japanese cars into this category. The MKIV Supra, FD RX-7 (as unreliable as it is, it can still be a beast), STI, Evo8; these are serious performance vehicles, inspired by the track no less than a mustang. I have friends in this scene (no decals or glowsticks here, just fast and clean cars), and hit their meets every now and then. Very chill, like the chicagolandmustangs.com meet I hit up recently. A bunch of people that love their car. Actually, it was a fox mustang passerby doing the random burn-out last weekend.

There are plenty of riced-out civics and neons out there. And I’m seeing more and more Hyundais getting in on that too, which makes me giggle. But these…things annoy both American AND Japanese grand touring car owners. Try to give respect where respect is due, and over time, we should get the same shown our way.

 

[I8URVTEC]

Don't get me wrong, I definatly give the STI credit. I certainly wouldn't mind driving one. The thing I was saying though is that I feel as though if you want to make crazy HP you are limited with any 4 cyl. The STI and EVO blocks are strong and you can put 30 psi from what I know in them and make 500 hp. But if you have that kind of $$ to spend I would rather put my money in a V8 that can handle a bunch of boost and be able to put out well over 500 hp. IMO anyway.

 

[crewwolfy]

VTEC eater- Sorry, wasn't aimed at you specifically; just in general. I know the Evos take much better to further modding than the STIs do, but your point remains the same: why mod the hell out of a I4 for the same numbers as a slightly modded V8. It depends on the asphalt you're putting this power to. On the strip, power owns all. But in autocross, lightweight is a valuable commodity. And while it's only slightly lighter than the stang at about 3300lbs, getting 300HP to all four wheels really helps.

Still, I'm a RWD kinda guy. That, and four doors is two too many.

 

[I8URVTEC]

Isn't it also true that AWD is great for launches but other than that it sucks b/c you loose much more HP to that kind of a drivetrain than you would to a RWD car?

 

[crewwolfy]

It's great for launches, yeah. Not sure about HP loss, tho I wouldn't be surprised. Nearly every element in performance automotive has pros and cons. But all the fast strip cars are rwd afaik, so I imagine that's the best drivetrain/$$ for that format. Of course THE fastest are MR...

 

[Mike06_10pm]

stock for stock who wins...average drivers, good conditions

05 GT or evo8?
05 GT or STi?
-mike

 

[crewwolfy]

on the strip? About even.

2005 Mustang GT - 5.1 - 13.5
2005 Subaru Impreza STI - 5.1 - 13.8

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

Of course the mustang has endlessly more potential when modified.

 

[spidermaxx300]

The only one I give SOME respect to are the Subaru STI's and the only reason they are good is b/c they can handle a ton of boost b/c it is the same engine that they use in rally cars.

not to be an a$$ but it is not the same engine(if you are refering to usdm sti), the WRC cars run a 2.0l h-4. the 2004-06 sti motor is 2.5l

yes our cars are not torque monters but they dont lack it either at least the sti doesnt. 500hp out of an evo or sti is not the limit, hell there are a few guys running a stock internal 2.0l( 02-05 wrx motor not sti motor) at over 500 hp although he does make it up top in rpms . i on the other hand am up to about 280hp and 260tq at the wheels now with a 1200$ turbo swap(includes supporting mods).that should be good for mid high 12's with a good launch, and thats all i want out of it. i know it isnt v8 torque but it is there, plus i weigh less than most of you guys.

to the original poster,
i agree that most import forums are that way, but there a few that despise that type of behavior and nasioc. com is one of them. although a lot of noobs come on there and talk about street racing and ask questions about stupid ricer stuff. on nasioc though, those types dont tend to last very long.

 

[spidermaxx300]

on the strip? About even.

2005 Mustang GT - 5.1 - 13.5
2005 Subaru Impreza STI - 5.1 - 13.8

http://www.albeedigital.com/supercoupe/articles/0-60times.html

Of course the mustang has endlessly more potential when modified.

not to start a war over this but i wouldnt call those times quite true. STi's are quite capable of a very low 13 in stock street trim. only crappy drivers run a 13.8in an STi(unless its high altitude....then i will forgive that) , i ran a 13.8 in wrx with just a 70$ manual boost controller and i was still down 60hp from an sti. i would say real world the sti would win but just because of awd.


your last statement maybe true but it still takes a lot of work and money to get a stang go fast. i know and most here do too, that it doesnt matter how fast you are.... there will always be somebody faster.

 

[crewwolfy]

I honestly don't know about the validity of those numbers, but I'm more inclined to believe those than anything Ford or Subaru publishes.

The mustang and the STI are both fast cars. I'm not going to argue which one is better, because it honestly depends on your taste. They're both very fast, but very different vehicles.

I've been on nasioc before, from links posted in other forums. Namely, the "I am a Street Racer" thread. From that thread alone, I think you can tell that street racers get laughed off of that forum.

Until Mars starts producing cars that rival the big names out of Japan and America, I don't think imports and domestics will really get along, but a little rivalry isn't such a bad thing.