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Contact Ed Curtis at http://www.flowtechinduction.com/camshaft.html

He will be able to get you going.

 

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Hey guys when the summer time comes I plan on doing a h/c/i combo. My engine is bone stock and it will be my everyday driver. I've decided on getting the afr 165's because of the torque. Now what intake and cam would be best with these heads? It has to be emission legal and I don't want a high reving car maybe up to 6000rpm would be fine. I have a b-cam in my garage but I was looking at the trickflow stage 1 cam, what would be better?

 

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I contacted Ed Curtis and he gave me a custom cam with my AFR 165's and suggested the Performer intake...so I took his advice and did just that...

I have more torque than stock and the whole combo works very nice on my daily driver...this is my only car and Ed knew that when I told him and he suggested the h/c/i I have...and I wouldn't have went any other way...

I drive my car to work/school/gym/church/etc...you name it...I go there in it...drove in the snow and all...though I had to get pulled out twice from the ditch

 

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Do you have any dyno/track numbers for that car 5spd GT? I am building a similar combo in my 87 this winter and I just want to get some ideas on what kind of numbers similar set ups are putting down.

 

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I see in your sig you already have the exhaust side of it handled, so IMO you can use the e cam 1.7's and edelbrock intake or anything but trickflow too many tricks(compatibility only want you to use their other parts to go with their intakes, cams,etc) this combo pulls really well and will be smog legal and should be great for you!

 

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BlooDReigN said:

Do you have any dyno/track numbers for that car 5spd GT? I am building a similar combo in my 87 this winter and I just want to get some ideas on what kind of numbers similar set ups are putting down.

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Hey - I'm waiting for Febuary to get some better track #'s...but I do have some times...I ran 84.4? mph in 1/8th mile my first night with the combo...I was spinning all the way into 4th gear and especially in the first couple gears I couldn't tell where to shift because the rpms were close to 6k (spinning) though I wasn't moving much which made me bog in the other gears...and I have a check engine light on and haven't messed with timing or FP...I just have it set at 16* and 39psi...I'm getting drag radials here in a couple weeks and will get some times here in just over a month...that will be better...and I don't have any dyno #'s...but my new King Cobra clutch slips/burns under the power...if that tells you anything...after I ran it at the track I could smell the clutch fairly good...

Good Luck with it

 

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Definatly go either AFR or TFS heads, peferably AFR165's for what your looking for. I don't think the TFS I can is any better than a B cam, but I think there is better than either out there. Custom cams seem to be the way to go.

 

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cdog301 said:

I see in your sig you already have the exhaust side of it handled, so IMO you can use the e cam 1.7's and edelbrock intake or anything but trickflow too many tricks(compatibility only want you to use their other parts to go with their intakes, cams,etc) this combo pulls really well and will be smog legal and should be great for you!

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Uhhh you be 100% WRONG, pal You can use trickflow intakes with any head. My friend using a TFS street with edelbrock heads. Same with their camshafts. I have another buddy on here that is using a TFS 1 cam with edelbrock heads and Buddy Rawl's (custom cam designer) did the math and recommended this cam for his and told him how do install/degree it. What were you saying about TFS stuff only being able to work with TFS stuff???

ms93gt, theres a guy on corral with afr 165's (use the 58cc stud mount ones) a cobra intake with a ported lower, a TFS 1 cam and much needed longtubes and his car runs 12.0's @ 112 I believe last I saw. His name is GrnTrunk if you wanna PM him on his combo.

 

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Grnlx that guy with that setup runs 12.0!!! Damn I like!!!!! lol
I would get that setup but I'm not looking to do any porting, I just wanna get something that'll match instead of making it match. Also are custom cams emission legal?

 

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ms93gt said:

Grnlx that guy with that setup runs 12.0!!! Damn I like!!!!! lol
I would get that setup but I'm not looking to do any porting, I just wanna get something that'll match instead of making it match. Also are custom cams emission legal?

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Then run a TFS street intake with a 75mm TB or an edelbrock performer with a 70mm tb since your not willing up take out the dremel and open it up. The RPM and track heat intakes wont work as good with the TFS 1 cam unless you put the cam on a more retarded centerline and gear the car accordingly (410 is fine) It sounds like your not willing to do this so dot to dot that cam should work just fine with the 2 intakes I suggested. I'd use the TFS since you can run a bigger TB with it but the performer upper might be a bit easier to bolt on. My TFS upper is sometimes annoying to bolt up where as my friends edelbrock isnt bad.

 

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ms93gt said:

Grnlx that guy with that setup runs 12.0!!! Damn I like!!!!! lol
I would get that setup but I'm not looking to do any porting, I just wanna get something that'll match instead of making it match. Also are custom cams emission legal?

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Yes you can get a custom cam to meet emissions requirements...that will just have to be one of your specifications when talking to your custom cam grinder...mine isn't legal

To run quicker you will need more gear and "bigger" parts...but that can cost you in your wantingness to be a street car...get more info on times that get posted...like any weight reduction/weight?/gearing/drag radials/slicks/etc...sea level...?...

 

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Full weight (3400lbs) ET streets, and 355's. Lowering springs too. Sorry I shoulda put that in. I think the drag radial times were mid 12's.

David- do you guys have emissions inspections in AK?

 

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Ya I'm very familiar with the trick flow intake because my cousin has the r series. If I go with the tfs can I just use a 70mm throttle body instead of a 75mm? Also what about a b cam, too small?

 

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B cam sucks. You can use any TB you want with the TFS intake. Your best bet is the 75mm. The opening is 75mm and 75mm will do a touch more power over the 70 and its the same price. If you already have the 70mm, use it. TB's are NOT carburators so bigger tb's dont hurt you like some will have you believe. Theres a nice thread going on now on corral with a nice amount of real facts.

 

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Grn92LX said:

Full weight (3400lbs) ET streets, and 355's. Lowering springs too. Sorry I shoulda put that in. I think the drag radial times were mid 12's.

David- do you guys have emissions inspections in AK?

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Hmm...that is a pretty heavy car...

Nope...no emissions or vehicle inspections...they stopped that in 1997 I believe

 

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Ok Grnlx I'm gonna do this. Afr 165's, tfs intakes, custom cam, 70mm throttle body, 24lb injectors, 190 fuel pump, adjustable regulator, now what roller rockers should I get? Should I get 1.6's or 1.7's? Also how does this setup sound?

 

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That looks fine. Use 1.6 rockers. I use ford racing rockers which are made by crane. Pick a good quality name brand rocker, not some off brand made in china crap! Do you have the 70mm TB already is that why your picking 70mm? If not, use the 75mm. But if you already have the 70mm its fine. I HIGHLY suggest longtubes. As a matter of fact that guys car I posted about gained over 1mph switching LT's from shortys. Also gained more tq in the sub 3000 range. I, myself, gained a decent amount of torque switching from shortys to LT's as well. Got my LT's used for an unreal price!

I also noticed you don't have gears yet. Get 373 or 410's. Also, what are the goals for the car? Will it see a decent amount of track times? Do you have more planned down the road?

 

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No I don't have a 70mm throttle body, wouldn't 75 be to big? I can't do longtubes because of emissions. As of gears go I'm getting 3:73's, I just started modding the car because soccer ended so now I have the money to dump in. As far as goals for the car I just want a low 12 second daily driver thats decent on gas. This car is my baby and I will never let it go! It really won't see the track, I would guess maybe once every 2 months if that. As far as down the road goes I dunno yet, I just wanna get one thing done at a time, but I wouldn't doubt that I would go more. Maybe even a 347!!

 

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Nope, 75mm isn't too big. Trust me, I wouldnt steer you wrong. I have a comparible combo and run the 75mm. You can run longtubes and still pass emissions. Believe it or not, but my friends bolt on 90GT passes legally with longtubes and NO cats. But since you wanna run cats, LT's might not be a cost effective mod for you. They ARE better and will give you more power/tq in the low-mid range, but if you can't swing the money I totally understand especially since you'll be buying a cat H pipe which isn't cheap.

I see your in Jersey. Do you run at atco or Etown? I wanna try and make it back to Etown when they open up again.

 

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Honestly I haven't ran my car yet but when I do I will mostly go to e-town figuring its closer and better. As far as longtubes, ya I don't think I'm gonna get them figuring I just put my shorties on. lol. But I do think I'm gonna take my car to the muffler shop and have them cut my cats out and put flanges on the end of them and also put a piece of pipe to the h pipe with flanges that way when inspections n emissions come around I can just swap my cats on and off instead of the entire h pipe.