Aftermarket Headunit Options for Mach 460 - Pioneer DEH vs. ???

I have the DEH-P5100UB in my '98, and it definitely has its ups and downs.
Pluses:
Great sound quality
Full iPod control
Looks nice
Front USB port, so you can play MP3s off thumb drives
Rear USB port allows you to stick iPOD in glove box for security
Better electronic shielding then the 5000UB (last gen), so no cell phone interference if you have AT&T (I know this because I have a 5000UB in my Jeep and it picks up the phone signal)

Negatives
Multi-control button is a pain to use, esp on bumpy roads
Doesn't know how to randomize MP3s on a thumb drive
Clock display is too small (unless the radio is off)
No pause button (wtf?) - you need to hold SRC to shut it off when taking a call, or use remote
Browsing for songs is difficult. They did add the ability to select the first letter when browsing, but you still have to scroll a lot

All in all I think it is a good CD player for the money, but it definitely has some really annoying quirks.

Edit - for your '96, you may be interested in getting a utility compartment to replace where the old CD player sits (late model restoration supply part #LRS-13594A). This is my setup:

patman0911 said:

Cool, thanks for the info. Your feedback pretty much confirms my initial impression - looks great but doesn't handle quite as good as it looks.

Oh, yeah, I'd forgotten that a few reviews had mentioned that the iPod browsing was clumsy - I meant to ask about that too but you covered it.

Yep, that tray is pretty much exactly what I had in mind to put in place of the cd player.

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Yeah. I like it for the most part, but it makes me curse every once in a while when I have to fumble to find a song or make an adjustment. It definitely made my stock (non Mach 460) speakers wake up, so from that perspective, I am very pleased.

The CD tray is very handy. It's big enough to fit my wallet & cell phone in, and has a no-slip insert so they don't move around. A little bit pricey, but worth it from a function and aesthetic perspective. The alternative is to leave the old, non functioning CD player in there, or have a gaping hole in the dash. Hope this helped!

check here. all headunits between $101 - $250
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if you can stretch your budget slightly, you can get a kenwood reciever with built in HD radio. a coworker of mine has it and says the sound quality difference is amazing. also he says it looks fantastic installed in his car and is easy to navigate.
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Crutchfield says that you will need a special mounting bracket to support the rear of the head unit, but everything I read said that it was a POS. Needless to say I didn't buy it and the radio installed fine without it.

FYI Advance Auto sells the special head unit ejector prongs you will need to remove the factory radio.

i have purchased many things at sonicelectronix and not once had an issue. since they are not "authorized sellers" many of the items, they do have their own return / warranty policy. but again, i have not had an issue.

I have worked at a higher-end privately owned Car Audio and Home audio and video store for about 2 years now. We carry Kenwood, Alpine, Pioneer, and Sony products for Head units and many other brands for sound. The Kenwood in my opinion by far the best head unit on the market. No matter if it is just a simple single din unit all the way up to their video / nav units. I've used Kenwood in my car forever. The Alpine and Pioneer units are nice units but have their setbacks. The Pioneers are a pain in the a** to use and the Alpines build quality has slacked for the past few years. The Kenwoods are very intuitive and easy to learn and sound the best, mostly because of build quality and their DAC's.

I would recommend the Kenwood KDC-X493 for $170 which has a front AUX in and front USB where you can take your iPod cable and plug it right in and control all the functions of the iPod through the radio and it has a 2 year warranty and 3 x 4v Pre-outs. Or do the Kenwood KDC-MP342U which has same features but lower voltage pre-outs and a 1 year warranty.

If you do run decided to run an iPod cable out take it to the glove box. It's a lot easier to get the cable to because if you want it in the center console that thing is a huge b**ch. Just my $.02 and if you have any questions i can help with just ask.

This is what's in my car:

I didnt read every post but here are my .02

I have installed stereos for over 15 years and worked at the number 1 shop in Hawaii. I have installed thousands of decks from all the brands and can tell you that a Pioneer will give you the best bang for the buck and the best sound quality.
It has the most features and the best processors on board. The joystick controll is their only downfall. Seems its the trend these days to have a knob that controlls everything.
They do have a pause but its only accesable throughthe remote or the menu feature. CD Performance is quite exceptional though and the tuners are the best in the buisiness. Cant go wrong with a Pioneer.
Also the only difference in the Premier is the warrenty, nothing else.
Eclipse would be my second choice but not for your price range. I would also look for a used DEH7800 or 780 as they were excellent head units and one of the best I have ever heard.

Very timely thread for me. I have 2 factory units for me 03 and neither cd player works. I have tons of music on my ipod and can't stand to listen to the radio for more than 10 minutes. I'm struggling with whether to have Best Buy put one in for me or do it myself. My only real experience is switching out the factory units. I'm worried that BB might fark it up since it's not as easy with the 460 system to just plug a new HU in. Then again, I don't want to get in over my head by doing it myself either. I found these instruction on another site. Anyone have any comments about it? Should I trust BB on the installation? Thanks for the advice on the units also. Will definitely keep those in mind when I purchase one.


Integrating AM Head Unit w/ Mach 460 (00-04 Mustangs) - Mustang Forums

2002 Mustang GT Sound System Write Up.

By: Mixedbreed02GT

Step By Step Tutorial For Integrating an Aftermarket Head Unit with your existing Mach 460 Speakers and Amplifiers

What you need:
Aftermarket Head Unit (preferably 20+ RMS Watts, and 50 Watts x 4 Channels, 3 pairs of RCA Jacks on the back of the unit to connect your sound system)
Metra 99-5026 2001 - 2004 Mustang Dash Kit
Metra 70-5519 Wiring Harnesses (only works on 2000 - 2002)

Tools:
Wire Crimpers
Wire Cutters
lighter
zippy ties
Socket Ratchet and 9/32” socket
Electrical Tape
Soldering Gun
Solder
And you need some patience as well!

Ok you should have 3 wiring harnesses. 2 from the metra package, and one from your cd player.

Take these three harnesses, your heat shrink connectors, and your tools to
a table with plenty of work space. This way you are in a relaxed place, not in a big hurry,and aren’t in doing this in the cramped front seat of your car, dropping tools, and connectors down the sides of your seats, and having to stop to look for them.

On the Factory Plug metra (should be black)...there are a bunch of wires.

Right Rear Speaker
Purple
Purple/Black

Left Rear Speaker
Green
Green/Black

Right Front Speaker
Gray
Gray/Black

Left Front Speaker
White
White/Black
Red – Accessory
Yellow - Battery
Black - Ground
Orange - Illumination/Dimmer
Orange/Black - Dimmer Ground

On your second Metra Adapter (should be white and have RCA plugs attached to it) there are the following wires

2 wires that have RCA Plugs on the end (these go in the back of your cd player)

2 Blue/White wires - These power your Mach 460 amps
2 Black/White Wires - These are your Mach460 amp grounds

CD Player Harness.
You should have the following wires may vary for different cd players)

Right Rear Speaker
Purple
Purple/Black

Left Rear Speaker
Green
Green/Black

Right Front Speaker
Gray
Gray/Black

Left Front Speaker
White
White/Black

Blue - Remote System Control/Power Antenna
Red - Accessory
Yellow - Battery
Black - Ground
Orange - Illumination/Dimmer
Yellow/black – mute

You want to connect all the regular wires normally. Now here's where it gets a little tricky. Take the 2 Black/white amp grounds on the RCA plug harness, and solder these, plus your dimmer/illum. ground (orange/black)and solder them to the metra adapter ground along with your radio ground, now take your 2 blue/white amp wires on the RCA plug harness, and your blue remote system wire and solder all three of these wires together.

Avoid using connectors if you can, solder works better, and ensures a better connection. (make sure to tape off the connection so it won't ground out, or short circuit anything.

Now you're ready to install the head unit.

take your new head unit which should be mounted in the dash kit and awaiting installation, and your 3 wiring harnesses and tools, and go out to the car.

Pop your hood, and disconnect the battery! Do this before starting any electrical work…no exceptions!!! Factory battery requires a 5/16" socket with ratchet.

Also while you're at the battery take a wire brush and clean off both of your posts by scrubbing them really hard until they are bright again..this will help the battery terminals conduct electricity from the battery.

if you have a drill or air tools, take some tape and tape a piece of sand paper about 9 or 10" long to a drill bit, then wind the sand paper around the drill bit really good...stick the drill bit w/ sand paper through the battery terminal ring, and then release sandpaper and let it fill the ring terminal, now squeeze the power trigger, and sand the inside of the ring terminals out until they are shiny, as this will remove the dirt and grime, and help conduct electricity better.
remove your shift knob, and firmly pull up on the shifter bezel, and it
should pop right out.

now pull on the trim plate that surrounds the radio and a/c panel...it too
should pop right out, make sure to unplug the 3 plugs on the back of the
panel...now put both the shifter bezel and trim plate in the back seat so
they are out of the way.

now using your socket ratchet and 9/32 socket, remove the 2 bolts that hold your factory head unit in place. now carefully slide the mach460 forward(you may have to play with it a little bit, but it will come out).

unplug the antenna, and the 3 plugs from the back of the radio, and take the head unit and put it in the backseat so it's out of the way.

take your wiring harnesses and plug the 2 metra harnesses into the factory
harnesses. now connect your cd harness plug to the back of the cd player. Put the 2 RCA's from the metra harness into the "Front Output" RCA Jacks on the back of your aftermarket unit. Connect your antenna.

Now go reconnect your battery. Now go turn your aftermarket head unit
on and make sure it works. Listen to a radio station, then put in a cd.
Make sure the bass sounds good...if you think it's not working, unplug the
RCA's from the back of your aftermarket head unit. If you hear the sound
quality and loudness decrease dramatically, then it was working properly
when the RCA plugs were in the back of the head unit. If you hear no change,check your wiring as you probably have something connected wrong, or not connected at all.

The RCA for the mach amps, should go into the middle set of inputs on the back of your head unit (if it has three sets...if not refer to your cd player's manual). Amp rca's should go in the bottom set, and if you have an EQ, then the RCA's from that should go in the top set.

Now unplug battery again (5/16" socket)

Make sure you connect any accessories, such as Ipod, Sirius Satellite Tuner, Bluetooth Interface, Amplifier RCA Cables, Etc.

Once you're satisfied, use some zippy ties and tidy up your wiring harnesses. No need to super tighten the zippy's, just enough to hold the wires in place.

Now put your head unit/dash kit, into the hole, and secure with the 9/32 bolts.

Grab your trim plate, plug in your 3 plugs (defrost, TCS, Fog lights) to the
back, then firmly pop it back into place.

Now get your shifter bezel, and pop it back into place, and put your shift
knob back on.

Now get that manual out for your head unit, and set your settings to your
liking and enjoy a killer sounding Sound System for the price of only
an aftermarket head unit, a wiring harness, a dash kit, some heat shrink
connectors, and a little bit of your time.

Contrary to popular belief, if you follow this you should not hear any popping sounds when you turn your radio on. If you do, you either don’t have a built in crossover, you have a bad connections somewhere, or you have a bad ground.

What Did I Use For My Install?
Metra 70-5519 Wiring Harnesses
Metra 99-5026 Dash Installation Kit
Pioneer 5900IB Aftermarket Head Unit
20 GB Ipod.
Pioneer CD-i200 Ipod Interface Cable
SIRIUS Satellite Pioneer Tuner/Receiver Model# SIR-PNR2
Alpine MRP-M850 Amplifier

Once I got everything wired up, and installed, I couldn't believe how great the sound was. It was probably 50% better sounding and louder than the factory Mach 460 Head Unit. The good thing about this setup is, it saved me from having to remove all the Mach 460 Amps, and the speakers, and having to rewire the entire car. This was a simple solution, that provided a quick, efficient, and affordable way to get great sound without having to spend big money.

stanggt97, what did you have to do to get that headunit to integrate with the Mach 460 system?

I have that headunit in one of my trucks and would like to put one in my 98GT mustang.

Thanks
Robb

Dkblue98GT said:

stanggt97, what did you have to do to get that headunit to integrate with the Mach 460 system?

I have that headunit in one of my trucks and would like to put one in my 98GT mustang.

Thanks
Robb

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Well, my car didn't come with the Mach system, just the basic 4 speaker w/ CD player. For me, all I had to do was get the wiring harness adapter from Crutchfield, rig it up to the new deck and directly replace the old factory deck. I think with the Mach 460, things get more complicated

Go for a Kenwood man the layout is the best and the functionality and expandability and incredible. It's super easy to install a radio in our cars too.

Congratulations Patman on your new stereo deck.
I have always used Alpine stereo decks and I never had
any problems either.Alpine seems to have a good product
and I would buy again too.

Looking for single DIN cover

Glad to hear about your recent find. I wish stuff like that would appear under my tree.

About that CD storage tray. Any ideas where I could get one for myself? I have a 2000 GT with the separate CD player. When the CD player crapped out, I installed a single DIN combined head unit. I now have a hole in the center console where the CD player used to be.

At the time, I thought it would be no big deal to just "buy" an off the shelf single DIN blanking panel. I found plenty of examples for sale from the UK. No cost effective options from the states.

Someone also suggested getting the blanking panel out of a salvage V6. I learned two things. 1st, most V6's came with CD players. Next, the salvage yards will not sell pieces from a good center console. Must buy the whole console.

If my memory serves me, Ford wanted $65 for the V6 cover. The hole doesn't bother me that much.