Alighnemt with H&R SS

ngjcs3 · Aug 21, 2004

I am aware that the CC plates are needed if you lower your car more than 1.5 inches, but I am just asking because i am a bit short on funds right now.
I just purchased new rims and tires and i don't want the tires to wear out unevenly.
I have H&R Super Sport Springs. I believe they lowered my stang ~ 1.75 inches. Is there anyone who tried to have their car aligned without the CC plates? Any info will be helpful. Thanks.

ChrisWorrell · Aug 21, 2004

it wont work, i havent done it but I know it wont, I did Steeda springs lowered about an inch and I maxed out my current c/c plates

ngjcs3 · Aug 21, 2004

thanks for the reply.. ^^

KaPPaBaLL · Aug 21, 2004

You can try making your rivits bigger for more range in adjustment with your stock plates. With stock plates you can't adjuste castor settings so i'd get aftermarket 4bolt c/c plates if i were you. if you don't do any serious auto-x i suggest you set the camber to -.5 both wheels.

ngjcs3 · Aug 21, 2004

I just bought MM CC PLATES and have one more question..
how much would it be to have it installed?

Ghostface · Aug 21, 2004

camber bolt kit at NAPA. $12 each. you'll need 2.

triggz · Aug 22, 2004

Ghostface said:
camber bolt kit at NAPA. $12 each. you'll need 2.

perfect alignment here w/ h&r ss's & camber bolts.

02camarokiller · Aug 22, 2004

I just lowered mine with eibach sport springs (2"f/1.8"r) and I didn't add chamber bolts or cc plates?? Pardon the stupidity on my part, but what are those?

J98GT · Aug 22, 2004

The alignment on our cars is adjusted by sliding the upper strut mount fore/aft or side to side in order to get the strut at the proper angle. Lowering the car changes the suspension geometry so that the stock mount does not have enough range of adjustment to get it back to the correct alignment settings. Caster/camber plates are basically just fancy upper strut mounts that are beefier and allow more range of adjustment.

You WILL need caster camber plates to get proper alignment if you lower your car much beyond 1". Many people say otherwise, but they don't realize that just because your car doesn't pull one way or another, that does not mean your alignment is correct. Your car could track perfectly straight, but you are still going to eat up tires at a faster rate and you will loose out on some ultimate grip in the corners.

I'm not exactly familiar with camber bolts . . . but i would imagine that they are some type of bolt that is shaped like a cam that you can install in different directions at the lower mount to adjust your camber.

02camarokiller · Aug 22, 2004

J98GT said:
The alignment on our cars is adjusted by sliding the upper strut mount fore/aft or side to side in order to get the strut at the proper angle. Lowering the car changes the suspension geometry so that the stock mount does not have enough range of adjustment to get it back to the correct alignment settings. Caster/camber plates are basically just fancy upper strut mounts that are beefier and allow more range of adjustment.

You WILL need caster camber plates to get proper alignment if you lower your car much beyond 1". Many people say otherwise, but they don't realize that just because your car doesn't pull one way or another, that does not mean your alignment is correct. Your car could track perfectly straight, but you are still going to eat up tires at a faster rate and you will loose out on some ultimate grip in the corners.

I'm not exactly familiar with camber bolts . . . but i would imagine that they are some type of bolt that is shaped like a cam that you can install in different directions at the lower mount to adjust your camber.

Thanks for the info buddy! I for sure need an alignment.

triggz · Aug 22, 2004

J98GT said:
The alignment on our cars is adjusted by sliding the upper strut mount fore/aft or side to side in order to get the strut at the proper angle. Lowering the car changes the suspension geometry so that the stock mount does not have enough range of adjustment to get it back to the correct alignment settings. Caster/camber plates are basically just fancy upper strut mounts that are beefier and allow more range of adjustment.

This is correct...

You WILL need caster camber plates to get proper alignment if you lower your car much beyond 1". Many people say otherwise, but they don't realize that just because your car doesn't pull one way or another, that does not mean your alignment is correct. Your car could track perfectly straight, but you are still going to eat up tires at a faster rate and you will loose out on some ultimate grip in the corners.

Specs disagree...I have 2" of drop in the front.

Stock alignment w/ springs installed:

Alignment after camber bolt installation and some tweaking:

As you can see, for $250 in CC plates all I would get is a degree or so caster. No thanks.

I'm not exactly familiar with camber bolts . . . but i would imagine that they are some type of bolt that is shaped like a cam that you can install in different directions at the lower mount to adjust your camber.

Yep. A simple eccentric bolt.

J98GT · Aug 22, 2004

triggz said:
This is correct...

Specs disagree...I have 2" of drop in the front.

Stock alignment w/ springs installed:

Alignment after camber bolt installation and some tweaking:

As you can see, for $250 in CC plates all I would get is a degree or so caster. No thanks.

Yep. A simple eccentric bolt.

Production tolerances vary . . . you're one of the lucky ones. The other benefit is that the good CC plates (if not all of them) use a spherical bearing in place of the stock rubber mount to maintain correct alignment under all conditions. You get a bit of extra road noise and harshness, but you won't really notice it if you have and exhaust mods (who doesn't?)

YardSpecial · Aug 23, 2004

Lots of places are selling the bolts now, H&R, Eibach & Napa.......

I use Napa bolts on the 89, no problems.

GDawg · Aug 23, 2004

Another benefit of Caster/Camber plates is that they allow for less compression of the struts bringing them back to a more normal length. When you lower your car 2", your struts now stay 2" more compressed than before. C/C plates allow for spacers that help compensate for the change.

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