I do like the idea of meth, heck, I have a ProMeth kit sitting on my work bench waiting to be installed. Meth has had mixed results on various combos from what I've researched. Some get better results than others. One thing is for sure, most people that intercool their push-rod Kenne Bell supercharged combo report running (at cruise and idle) about 10-15 degrees above ambient. That's pretty dang good. I've been driving lately in this cool spring weather, outside temps are about 50* and my IAT's are 120* while cruising. During the summer when it's 80-90* I'm cruising around at 150-160* IAT (intake air temperature). My car is setup to pull timing when IAT's hit 170* which means I'm losing HP. Meth will probably drop my IAT's about 40-50*. With an intercooler I can do more back to back to back romps in boost while keeping my IAT's in check and maybe I can spray less Meth while in boost.
Asked about pulley upgrades and he states they will have them.
I’ll be going down this road myself soon enough . Meth kit sitting on the shelf . Just a lot to finish before thatIf you have the meth injection kit and a way to data log/tune then please do yourself a favor and install the kit and dig into it. Give it a shot and see how well it works before spending the money and time on an intercooler kit. I was never a fan of adding all that piping and weight after being exposed to what a alky injection kit can do when ironing out the tune.
ASP couldn’t make you something ?What kind of pulley upgrade?Are they going to offer the 10-rib setup?
If you have the meth injection kit and a way to data log/tune then please do yourself a favor and install the kit and dig into it. Give it a shot and see how well it works before spending the money and time on an intercooler kit. I was never a fan of adding all that piping and weight after being exposed to what a alky injection kit can do when ironing out the tune.
ASP couldn’t make you something ?
HOLY MOLY !Sure, last time I looked, they wanted something near a grand for the crank pulley alone.
It would take at least a few back to back pulls before it starts to drop off but I agree that the PD blower will drop off first due to heat. I've read many threads about non-intercooled centri blowers creating a lot of heat while only making about 10psi so it happens to both superchargers but KB is worse. The benefit of the centri is that there's an off the shelf kit to intercool it which I'm jealous of. IMO, your 363cid engine (or long stroke 347?) helps that TQ curve jump up and get that centri working early. I wonder what the TQ curve looks like on a 302cid engine with a centri and about 10psi? Maybe not as broad and flat of a line? I really don't know, just making a guess there.Everyone has a different flavor . I will say though it seems like when we are comparing the Vortech to the KB it’s as if the Vortech is being treated like an oversized turbo that won’t spool .
My s trim was making over 500ftlbs in the high 2krpm range . The ysi even more . On the street I’d bet anything on the Vortech being just as violent if both are setup in the right manner . I’ve beat up on quite a few top mount blower cars even hellcats .
Back to back on the Dyno I’d bet both hot non intercooled the power the kB starts to drop off becomes more dramticly vs the Vortech being within a few Rwhp of where it started and the power still being very linear . Heat is no good either way but I’m saying it for comparisons sake . I try to stay out of these sometimes because I don’t want to sound biased with my background but I just figured I’d put my .02 in .
That's good advice and that's my plan. The ProMeth kit is bought and paid for and will be the first on the list. Intercooling, if I do it, will be down the road and dependent of meth injection results. I data log via my Stinger Pimp ECU and use MegaLog to view and edit my VE table. I have a lot of before data, now I just need to install my ProMeth kit and get more data and process all the results.If you have the meth injection kit and a way to data log/tune then please do yourself a favor and install the kit and dig into it. Give it a shot and see how well it works before spending the money and time on an intercooler kit. I was never a fan of adding all that piping and weight after being exposed to what a alky injection kit can do when ironing out the tune.
My s trim was making over 500ftlbs in the high 2krpm range . The ysi even more . On the street I’d bet anything on the Vortech being just as violent if both are setup in the right manner
Snow kit . Gonna use the stage 3 controller it creates a 2d load based map as the boost comes in .It would take at least a few back to back pulls before it starts to drop off but I agree that the PD blower will drop off first due to heat. I've read many threads about non-intercooled centri blowers creating a lot of heat while only making about 10psi so it happens to both superchargers but KB is worse. The benefit of the centri is that there's an off the shelf kit to intercool it which I'm jealous of. IMO, your 363cid engine (or long stroke 347?) helps that TQ curve jump up and get that centri working early. I wonder what the TQ curve looks like on a 302cid engine with a centri and about 10psi? Maybe not as broad and flat of a line? I really don't know, just making a guess there.
That's good advice and that's my plan. The ProMeth kit is bought and paid for and will be the first on the list. Intercooling, if I do it, will be down the road and dependent of meth injection results. I data log via my Stinger Pimp ECU and use MegaLog to view and edit my VE table. I have a lot of before data, now I just need to install my ProMeth kit and get more data and process all the results.
@TOOLOW91 What meth kit did you get? What means of controlling are you going to do?
Wish I knew what you all were talking about bc you guys make this stuff sound so easy.I used an output on my MS based on rpm and load to fire the system, then used a Hobbs switch to trigger table switching in the MS when it sees 100+psi from the wmeth system. Setup this way if the system does not turn on iron out of fluid or any other manner of oops the tables don't switch I don't go lean and the timing stays retarded. Win win. I tested it alot tuned the car fully with no meth then simply tuned a second set of tables for both fuel and timing for the wmeth. I saw 70* temp drops spraying into a heat soaked blower at 17gph and had to pull 10% out of the fuel map added 6* of timing. Was a real animal.
All in due time grasshopperWish I knew what you all were talking about bc you guys make this stuff sound so easy.
Lol once you get into standalone efi tuning it will make more sense. The ECU fires an output based on criteria i setup labeled (water meth) that triggers a relay that starts the wmeth pump, The Hobbs switch closes when it gets a specified pressure and sends an input signal to the ECU saying (i see pressure). That signal is setup to trigger table switching, this is a function in the ECU that let's me build a separate set of tables for the engine to run on when it sees the input.Wish I knew what you all were talking about bc you guys make this stuff sound so easy.
Welcome to EFI tuning and the chit you gotta deal with when choosing ANY form of forced induction.Wish I knew what you all were talking about bc you guys make this stuff sound so easy.
Ha yeah man my mind is blown bc I know nothing of this, tuning, programs, what I would need, etc etc I am clueless.Welcome to EFI tuning and the chit you gotta deal with when choosing ANY form of forced induction.
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