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anyone ever use sylvania's xe7r 7" bi-xenon reflector headlights?

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How about these: http://www.deltalights.com/products.asp?ptid=570. Would these work? Seems like they are pretty generic and can fit.

1965 'Stangs have 7" lights, correct?
 

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look up the HID kit for BMW's . . . i've seen them put into 65 ranchero . . i'd assume they fit later years as well. expensive though!
 
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I have been thinking of doing this to my 67 with the 7inch lights. The only draw back is the price, the lowest price on a quality kit with ballast ect. is about $500 per light. There is also a street rod company that makes a kit very similar with about the same price. I have been checking into this for a while and would like to do it but am hoping for the prices to come down. If you look real close at front pictures of the fastforward fastback built by Rad Rods by Troy you will see that he has HID lights they are from southwinds I believe is the name of the company. They sepcalize in lighting in motorcycles.
 

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I have the "fake" Delta xenons (http://www.deltalights.com/products.asp?ptid=572) sold by Mustangs Plus. They are very good & look good on my 69.

I've been looking at the BMW E34 (old 5 series) or E32 (7 series) projector lamps as well, they have the correct diameter, are separate hi and lo reflectors, and have a ton of OK priced upgrades available like HID xenon, angel eyes, blackened lenses etc. I'm missing an extra set of headlight buckets at the moment, so project is stalled a bit....
If anyone has looked into this as well, I'd be very interested in experiences.
 
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DK832 said:
I have the "fake" Delta xenons (http://www.deltalights.com/products.asp?ptid=572) sold by Mustangs Plus. They are very good & look good on my 69.

I've been looking at the BMW E34 (old 5 series) or E32 (7 series) projector lamps as well, they have the correct diameter, are separate hi and lo reflectors, and have a ton of OK priced upgrades available like HID xenon, angel eyes, blackened lenses etc. I'm missing an extra set of headlight buckets at the moment, so project is stalled a bit....
If anyone has looked into this as well, I'd be very interested in experiences.
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i used to work parts at the local BMW dealer and most of the 5 series projector beams. at least the low beams anyway, are close to a foot long!!!! so i'm not sure they would make a very good swap. i had considered it myself actually but didn't think i'd be able to make them fit the car, although i never actually attempted it, it just didn't look feasible.
 

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OK, thanks. It's been a few years since I had a E34 and did a lens swap in the low beams. I'll look up the local junk yard to have a look at their size...
 
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Here is an interesting read:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/bmw/540notxenon.htm
 
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Sorry to bring this thread back from the dead, however, after reading the various links I came across this VITAL PIECE OF RESEARCH regarding "true HID Xenon metal halide" projectors....

The Xenon D2S bulbs spit out over three times the luminous flux, 3,100 lumens, and more blue light, with a color temperature of 4,200 K. Unlike H4 halogen systems, a few seconds of glare from a xenon headlight cannot be tolerated. Xenon lights not only require static adjustment, they also require dynamic height control so as a car accelerates the lights don't point up and blind anyone. This complex automatic dynamic height adjustment requires external sensors and is why the xenon assemblies may not simply be bolted in.

Some people confuse careful static adjustment, OK with halogen lights, with the dynamic adjustment needed with xenon. Without automatic dynamic height control you'd need to adjust the lights even further down statically for enough safety margin to avoid glare when you hit the gas. This would defeat much of the purpose of the xenon lights!
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I know wha you're thinking... let's fit them anyway and just staticly adjust them downwards so that no matter how hard I accelerate I'll never blind anyone?

know you hackers figure you'll just adjust the xenon assemblies carefully, but that's bad since every time you hit the gas or load up the trunk you'll be blinding people. Don't even think about retrofitting xenon headlight assemblies unless you have this automatic dynamic control and washers. Dynamic control figures in not just acceleration, braking and suspension position; it also factor in road speed so it knows how to interpret suspension variations.

The dynamic levelers are impressive. I've been studying auto lighting for over 30 years, and with this much experience I giggled with excitement when I first saw my BMW xenons automatically adjust as I drove. It's the first time I've seen something this innovative in decades.
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It seems that true HID Xenon systems also require high pressure automatic headlight washers as well - even the slightest bit of dirt casts unbearable glare into the eyes of oncoming drivers.

Sorry to spoil your party, especially since I'm also a hacker at heart, but the only real way to get decent HID xenon headlights is to buy a car that comes with them from Germany or possibly Japan, and in particular, which also have dynamic angle levelling. Everything else is either not going to work well, and more likely is going to cause immense danger to your fellow drivers.
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That's quite a bit of food for thought in my opinion. The one thing a classic mustang is NOT, is a car which doesn't roll fore and aft under braking and acceleration.

I'm not ruling out further research but the aspect regarding automated dynamic height levelling says a great deal to me.
 
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